typed ugly aircraft into google and got this site – some classics on there.
http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/farmer/120/index.html?1=BACK
the twin wing lysander
mile m35 libelula or blohm + voss bv141 – couple of likely candidates
Yes it was a piaggio but have no idea what model/variant – the area the migs were in was known as the mig grave yard and there was all sorts of ordnance lying about – the eod on the aircraft indicated the americans had cleared them – ln one of the hangers there was a mig 17 (if i remeber correctly up on jacks) above it was a hole in the hanger roof where – apparently – a member of the Pakistan forces attached to NATO had been playing in an aircraft not eod cleared and had pulled the bang handle – wether the story is true i know not but the hole was certalnly there.
Three wrecked somalian migs circa 1993 – have put pictures on another thread but have added to this one as wreck pictures requested.
Hi – received the following e-mail from the Fleet Air Arm Museum at Yeovilton today;-
Dear Mr. Brewer
Thank you for your recent enquiry. I can confirm that the Blackburn Firebrand TFIV had a 2,520 hp Bristol Centaurus IX engine driving a four bladed Rotol Propellor which was wood composite.
With reference to Firebrand EX724, it ditched 5 miles south east of Brighton after suffering engine failure on 18th April 1952. Commissioned Pilot J.F. Plant was picked up by a Newhaven RAF Launch
Yours Sincereley
Catherine Rounsfell
Assistant Curator
Fleet Air Arm Museum
So, this looks to be a very likely candidate – the location is right, the propellor and its construction seem right as does the engine, what happens to it now, ive no idea, for myself I would like to see it in the Museum as, I believe, that they have a cockpit section which may well be the only bit left of a Firebrand. Id like to thank every one for their help – its been most interesting, and im honestly amazed at the wealth of knowledge out there – may well be after more help in the future – once again, thanks – all the best Martin B.
Airbourne at eastbourne – it would have to do a run over my gaff then -bliss – A vulcan did the fly past for my pass out parade at Swinderby in June 85 – think it was the last time it was used for that – the parade could see it coming in but the unsuspecting crowd couldne – so the pilot stood it on end – caused mayhem – luvverly.
That would put it near enough dead on where it was found – it was found off of the coast of peacehaven which is mid way between brighton and newhaven – not sure how farr off of sure but would guess a mile or so – dont know if you can work out from the coordinates i gave – would that have had wooden blades though ????
Have been onto local historian/journalist to see what hes got in his files from the possible periods – unlikely that his records are going to be as good as those of people with a genuine interest in aviation – but you never know – he might throw something up – this is getting a bit obsessive now – but its certainly interesting. thanks for all the help so far – martin b
Have found a serial number on it – not on the actual propellor hub but on the front of the large gear just behind it – reads;-
N39/334 6 (or an f) 81 (or 7) 46FW4
is that any help ??????????????
Help – its getting worse – a local “expert” has just contacted the guy with the prop and told him – no – thats not british its from a thurderbolt now, ive proved my knowledge aint that great – but from memory the thurderbolt had a four bladed hamilton aluminium bladed screw on it – suspect that with the power of the motor wood would not have stood a chance – am i right ????????????????
The hub was trawled up off of the coast in east sussex – just off of a place called peacehaven – which is between brighton and newhaven – near a place called portobello – quite near the sewage outlet pipe (apparently according to the fisherment, there is an unidentified aircraft wreck there which has been dived on quite a lot – from information provided on a previous thread – ie bolt counting – it would appear that it was originally attached to a centaurus radial.
with regard to other artefacts being dredged up – quite right – number of aircraft engines have been found – have seen a pratt and whiitney locally which some one (not me) id as coming out of a corsair – no idea how that was worked out.
have spoken with fisherman finder recokons that its unlikely to have come all the way down from portland – so unlikely to have come off of the Bristol freighter – however nothings impossible.
Have been down and counted the bolts – theres 18 of them – which – according to creaking door – means it was probbably originally attached to a centaurus. where do i go from here. ?????????
Re 4 bladers onf Spit 5’s – certainy AB910 of the BBMF (vb ) has a four blader – Seafire 3’s had them – get the impression that depending on which mark of merlin they had depended on the prop – but that may be a generalistion – certainly the 4 blader was used on Mk 5’s = but enough of that – weve established its not a Spitfire – unless there was a one of with either a hercules or centaurus radial (unlikely).
Have done some very (and i mean very) basic research on the internet and have found thefollowing – based on aircraft types listed as being possibles
860 Sea Furys/furys/ two seater sea furys appear to have been produced – only combat was in korea and a lot ended up in holland/iraq/germany/cuba/ and india probable that only 615 were actually used by the Navy.
452 tempest 11s appear to have been built again no indication of active service and quite a few of them went abroad (havent worked out a definitive figure yet)
147 Bristol Brigands appear to have been built and although saw active service it was post ww2.
181 firebrands appear to have been built again no active service in this area.
210 Warwick v’s appear to have been built again no active service
the interesting thing linking all of them appears to be that none of the aircraft mentioned above appear to have seen active service either during in WW2 – so – and this is probably a bit of an optimistic statement but im happy to be corrected – the only way the plane that that prop came off of must have crashed in the sea somewhere along the south coast – ill be the first to admit that given the tidal currents and the length of time involved – it could have been anywyere between portland bill and dover – but if it was an accident it shouldnt be too difficult to trace it – now;- where can i get a list of the tail numbers allocated to the aircraft and find the caa records of air crashes from @1945 – any idea chaps. ?????
Ill have words with my father – he was involved in the avionics when he worked for plesseys.