Modernised ROSE Mirage III courtesy of Pakdef
Smart looking air defence colour scheme.
Improvements include Grifo M radar, AIM-9M missile, Martin Baker MK10 seat, new RWR, HOTAS functionality, new EW fit.
Looks good – is this an upgraded ex-Aussie IIIO (500-series aircraft) or an upgraded IIIEP?
RAAF accepts first Super Hornet
Reverting to the original name of this thread for a moment – and bypassing the radar geeks for a minute – Sky TV News announced the first flight would be delivered from California via Hawaii and Auckland (in NZ I believe), to then overfly Canberra (for politicians’ benefit) and recover to Amberley, I think 23 March.
Could be 4 or 5 aircraft – the first ones accepted have been A44-202 (Bu 167958) to A44-206 (Bu 167962). I would guess A44-201 is being retained in US in the short term for OT&E.
It will be interesting to see what they do with non Growler wired Rhino’s though; they should only be half way through their service lives by 2020.
I would keep them for strike – although nothing can meet the legs of the ‘pig’, I reckon you will get a better comparable combat radius out of the F/A-18F compared to the F-35.
What will RAAF do with the old C/D Hornets when the Superbug enters full service? Just scrap them, or try to sell them second hand on the market? If there still are some flight hours left in those hulls they schouldnt be too hard to sell..
They actually are A/Bs but have gone through an excellent avionics and EW upgrade which makes them comparable to a C/D.
But the airframe centre barrel replacement (CBR) program has been curtailed, so airframe fatigue will be an issue. I think CBR was cut short as they would only have to get the minimum numbers of airframes – with a gradual drawdown – through to 2018. But this final withdrawal date must change with the delay in F-35. Originally an F-35 IOC of 2013/14 had be stated – this has probably now slipped to at least 2016, and if 3 sqns and an OCU are to be re-equipped, then probably last deliveries won’t now be until at least 2020.
So next the RAAF has to plan how can they make the ‘classic’ stretch to 2020 and possibly beyond?
Re the on-selling of the airframes. As stated fatigue will be an issue, but the Pakistanis got most of the 50 sold-off ex-RAAF Mirages airborne again. About 40 I believe which were upgraded at the Kamra rebuild facility for airframe re-aging and the comprehensive avionics ‘Rose’ program. Some have also been upgraded for AAR. But the US is not so understanding, and any on-selling requires US approval. The F-111s have to be converted to aluminium confetti, and even the Kiwi A-4s are still just sitting around.
And the political argument against getting Su-30 was that through-life support from the Russians would be dodgy, at best.
This is the problem Malaysia is now having with the MKM, serviceability is very low.
Another product is Michael Claringbould’s CD “Pacific Ghosts”, ISBN 1-885240-05-0.
Claringbould is THE expert on US 5th Air Force.
Of interest, RAAF’s 75 Sqn also operated some F-4s on PR missions in PNG (interesting colour schemes and markings).
New USAF Tankers
KC-X, KC-Y, KC-Z…maybe room for both 767 and KC-30??
But my concern over 767 is how old is that airframe now? And like the KC-135, USAF probably wants 50 years of service? Ask Italy and Japan if they are happy with their 767s.
KC-30 – we are getting commonality: UK, France, Australia, Saudi, another?
For an immediate fix, USAF should go for the KC-30, and then look for a complementary airframe in the longer term (which would appease Boeing).
From “Fighter Nights – 456 Sqn RAAF”, p.49
“An additional task for the RO was that of airborne armourer. He sat under the perspex dome in a swivel seat, facing rearwards towards the green flow of his AI scope. He could rotate if he wanted to see forward, and with the drum fed guns, he was required to move forward and reload the cannon. As these wre replaced by the belt-fed system, the RO was on hand if the guns needed attention.”
Sure it wasn’t 69-0363?
Found this photo of it at right time / location?
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69-0363 is correct. It was a RF-4C-42-MC.
The way the USAF abbreviates the aircraft’s full serial number can cause confusion.
RAAF Spitfires
While only Mks V and VIII were only flown in Aust by the RAAF, other marks were flown by other RAAF squadrons in UK, ME and Europe.
452 Sqn Mk II and V in UK
457 Sqn Mk II and V in UK
451 Sqn Mk V and IX in ME and Med; XIV and XVI in UK and Europe
453 Sqn Mk V, VII, IX, XIV and XVI in UK and Europe.
So a Mk XIV would be fine thankyou.
Is that a good representation of the colours in which it is painted?
Moggy
Yes, different from RAF colours, the RAAF DG was a bottle green colour and the brown lighter.
The colour refs I have for this scheme are “Du Pont Dark Green 71-013” and “Du Pont Dark Earth (Sandy Earth) 71-009”.
Ref “The Douglas Boston in RAAF Service” by Gary Byk.
I don’t think the RAFM would get the A-20G “HellN Pelican II”, as this remains at Amberley on promise to PNG pending them building proper accommodation and that has been a long wait so far! I think this was rebuilt to airworthiness standard.
I would guess that from the A28-8 preservation (now on display at Point Cook RAAF Museum) there are left-over bits (as per Beaufighter VI’s post) – this might be the exchange, but I do not know.
3 Sqn Sabres
Nice pic David, have not seen that one before.
These are standard 3 Squadron aircraft, the tail band and intake ring are orangey-red, and the ‘3-sabre’ marking was carried by all aircraft at that time, ie between 1958 and 1962.
In 1962, 3 changed its markings to the very attractive red tail with Southern Cross, but all 78 Wing (ie 3 and 77 Sqns at Butterworth) markings were removed in 1963 with Confrontation with Indonesia. Also the Butterworth squadrons had to support 79 Sqn in Ubon, Thailand, as well, so it was just easier for all aircraft to be devoid of markings.
I am still sure “Red Diamonds” were before “Black Panthers”.
The trouble with following a secondary internet source is that inaccurate facts become folklore!!And the “Black Diamonds” (like 76 Sqn) were at Williamtown. They were initially led in 1961 by a USAF exchange guy, MAJ Stoner.
The 3 Sqn team in 1966 could have been a one-off display.
Sorry Adrian, have got nothing at hand to firm up the dates.
OK Adrian,
Been through my stuff and can provide the following good gen. 😉
Sources are primarily from Aviation Historical Society of Aust (AHSA) journals at that time, and some articles I wrote or assisted with, and contemporary “RAAF News”.
Well-known photographers around at this stage who captured many images were Nev Parnell and Eric Allen.
75 SQN Black Diamonds
Formed 1961. Until 1964. A 5-ship.
Sorry the USAF guy in fact was MAJ Shiner, but he did not lead in the first year (I think he may have subsequently). Team in 1961 comprised FLTLT B Weymouth (leader), FLTLT J Tynan, FLGOFFs M Baston and M Parer, MAJ R Shiner USAF (solo). A later leader was Vance Drummond. Typically it was a 4-ship with solo.
Squadron black & white intake ring (later, black only). Black diamond below cockpit, black band around fuselage aft of canopy. Black wingtips.
Note that in this first year there was a subtle mod to the 75 SQN tail marking – the top hat in the centre was replaced by a black diamond. Aircraft I have noted as “Black Diamonds” over these years were A94-352, 353, 355, 359, 363, 365 and 371 (all Mk 32 aircraft).
A94-983 has been recently returned to airworthiness at Temora. It is in Black Diamonds markings but never flew with 75, it was a 78 Wing aircraft and subsequenly was transferred to the RMAF (TUDM).
76 SQN Red Diamonds
Formed 1962. Until 1964. A 5-ship.
Squadron red intake ring, red wingtips. Red diamond with trail below cockpit.
Aircraft noted in the Red Diamonds were A94-925, 930, 939, 942 and 947 (mainly Mk 31 aircraft as that is mainly what 76 had at that time).
Subtle changes to markings: in 1962 the red diamond on the fuselage (containing a white ’76’) was narrower compared to the 1963 diamond which was more square-shaped when looked upon from an angle.
76 SQN Black Panthers
Formed early 1965. Until 1966. A 4-ship.
Aircraft were A94-901, 933, 352, 353, 359, 363, 368, 370 (some ex-75 aircraft, as that Sqn had by then converted to Mirage).
While the Red Diamonds had retained the normal 76 SQN tail marking, the Black Panthers (sometimes called “The Panthers”) had a red tail band, with white circle containing black ’76’. This was changed in 1965 to an all-red tail with a white ’76’. Panther aircraft had the Squadron red intake ring, red wingtips, and also had a red fuselage band (similar to the black band of the Black Diamonds) and a leaping black panther on the forward fuselage.
Team in 1965 was: FLTLT J Chesterfield (leader), PLTOFF R Bastick, FLGOFF G Warrener, PLTOFF G Coleman.
Often carried inert AIM-9 Sidewinder AAMs.
2 OCU Marksmen
Formed 1966. A 5-ship. Until (I think) 1967.
Yellow and black diagonally striped tails, with “Marksmen” in running black/yellow script below the cockpit on both sides.
Squadron yellow intake ring, yellow wingtips.
Aircraft A94-901, 915, 922, 365, 369, and 371.
Trust this helps.
RAAF CAC Avon Sabre Acrobatic Teams 1959-68
Team Year(s) Operation Location
78 Wing Sabre Team 1959 78 Wing Butterworth, Malaysia
Black Diamonds 1961-64 No.75 Sqn. location?
Black Panthers 1962 No.76 Sqn. Williamtown
Red Diamonds 1963 No.76 Sqn. Williamtown
No.3 Sqn. Team 1966 No.3 Sqn. Butterworth, Malaysia
Marksmen 1966-68 No.2 OCU Williamtown
wieesso – I note you have an internet source, but I am still sure “Red Diamonds” were before “Black Panthers”.
The trouble with following a secondary internet source is that inaccurate facts become folklore!!
And the “Black Diamonds” (like 76 Sqn) were at Williamtown. They were initially led in 1961 by a USAF exchange guy, MAJ Stoner.
The 3 Sqn team in 1966 could have been a one-off display.
Sorry Adrian, have got nothing at hand to firm up the dates.
Pictures I have not seen before. Thanks Gents!
i always thought it was rather similar to a Gnat
With no offense to the Brits intended, I think it’s much prettier (especially the long-nosed examples) than the Gnat.
Truism, typical pretty lines of the Gnat, but bigger. The Gnat was/is tiny.