Tu 160lazers on fighters must be lockmarts desperate idea to save their failed F35 design,lazers of any meaningful power won’t happen for at least the next 50 years. 5.5 gen no,the current F35 does not even remotely qualify as a 5 gen fighter based on lockmarts own earlier definition,or even a 4gen if judged by its physical performance, not even close to having supercruise or thrust vectoring but instead performance of speed, acceleration and manuverability of pretty much the same level as a mid 1950’s Mig19
Looks like a twin engine F35. Someone maybe dropping hints of a potential 5.5 generation plane.
It appears DEW is going to a standard feature of 6th generation aircraft.
Tu 160lol exactly, Xb70 would of entered service in the early 70’s no earlier and the Mach 3 Mig25P entered service with the Soviet PVO in 1972 and could easily intercept the Xb70 and it was designed to do just that. And the S200 or Sa5 entered service in 1967 and pre 1976 variants of this missile had a 300km range and celling of 25km or 95,000ft. If the Xb70 was not cancelled it would of been good as the titanium mach 3+ Sukhoi T4 which could of been used as a interceptor and bomber would not of been cancelled either. Sukhoi T4 was a sucssesful design and it was cancelled only so the available budget could be used to build more Mig23,so stupid!
what turn @2000mph? at such speeds you turn will have at least a 30-mile radius… it’s a gentle curve at most… any SAM will match that no matter what you try unless it’s already out of speed. Should you fly at a sufficiently close distance of a SAM site, the XB-70 would be in pieces almost every time.
the missile won’t try, nor need, to stay “with it”, it will just come and blow it out of the sky
Tu 160Very interesting the camo is exactly the same as on the first 4 serial Su35 which is almost the same as the old classical 80’s Su27 cammo,I like this cammo its one of my favorite ones. And best of all the red star insignia has been restored to the same Soviet red star with a thin red outer border after the white outline and that idiotical stupid blue outline was removed from the star,I hope the Soviet red star insignia will be restored on all Knaaz,Irkutsk,Mig,Tupolev,Mil,Kamov aircraft as well. Good that at least they made the idiotical BBC Rossiy sign much smaller,its such an ugly eyesore. So the dark blue cammo and the blue outline star is once again being replaced? Anyone have pictures of the latest production Su35? Why haven’t still there being any pictures of this years production Su35 being released,were not 12 Su35 scheduled to be built and delivered to VVS in 2013?
Th new cammo for Su-30SM (likely bird scheduled for Domna):
http://torchrelay.sochi2014.com/photo-i-video#photo=irkutsk-vstretil-estafetu-olimpiyskogo-ognya
Tu 160Are all 5 Pakfa currently airworthy and flying and not grounded like some of them were earlier before? What month will the 5 Pakfa be transferred to Ashtubinsk for weapon trials?
Tu 160055 looks ok in the new cammo,the dark blue top and light blue bottom fit it well and its not the same as the x35 or yf22 as the colors look completelly different. New Pakfa camo sertainly looks a little better than that crazy dazzle that is similar to ww1 ship or german ww2 camo that whould be tipically found on a late war fw190 or something. And finally Pakfa has a full red star instead of that hollow star as on all previous Pakfa.
Tu 160:very_drunk::stupid:::very_drunk: Lol, Ukraine is not trustworthy so Russia is not going to sell them any advanced military technology,I doubt Russia will even want to sell Ukraine Mig29M2 as if Ukraine continues its iratic behavior or decides to do something stupid in the future like join Nato then Russia might have to annex Ukraine by force in the future and take down its airforce :dev2:so selling them new planes that Russian VVS might have to combat is not a good idea.
Also Ukraine is going bankrupt now and in midst of massive financial turmoil, they will be lucky if they will be able to afford to keep 1 Mig29 and 10 An2 in service in 5 years
Tu 160Mig31 has better endurance and range at full afterburner than the F22 at supercruise, also Mig31 top speed is not Mach2.83,it is limited operationally to that speed to prevent excessive engine wear, but Mig31 can easily achieve mach 3 and perhaps even slightly more in an emergency if really needed so its as fast as a Mig25 and Mig31 can be called a true mach 3 fighter. Mig31 acceleration is also phenominal, most likely better than any fighter in the world except that of the Pakfa
Mig31 especially the Mig31BM have very powerful radar and they can burn thru pretty much any AWAS ECM and guide the missles to target so that will not save the AWACS.
I am sure an AWACS, used by any air force has the most sophisticated ECM in existance.
The AWACS could see the Migs, or any opposition before the opposition could see it.
An AWACS could be destroyed but those attacking would have the “failure is not an option” attitude as if they were defending their own mother.
The price would be high, of course this is the reason air forces used to have interceptors in the high hundreds if not more.
its not fair to count Mig23 as a crappy cannon fodder aircraft because of Iran Iraq War, don’t forget the Iraq Airforce only had crappy monkey export version of Mig23 with that tiny little pathetic export radar and radome, if a real Soviet Air Force Grade Mig23bis with Mig23bis radar fire control system, decent missile warning system and ECM was involved in that war and flown by a well trained competent Soviet pilot and flown in adequate sized groups then they would of been a force to be rekoned with and easily shot down many F14 as a skilled Mig23bis pilot could of easily outmaneuvered the sluggish AIM54 and counterattacked the F14
did pretty damn well.
Jalil Zandi shot down 11 aircraft in his F-14 which include Migs 21,23 and Mirage F-1 and Su-22.
Theres a few other Iranian F-14 aces with 6 kills.
I counted around 70-76 F-14 victories in Iran-Iraq war and 5 shot downs. ACIG claims up to 90.Iraq’s positive kill aircraft is their MiG-25.
what can we learn from the Iran-Iraq war?
that all the cannon fodder aircraft “MiG-21, F-5, Mirage F-1, and MiG-23” were lighter fighters and were the ones being shot down more than shooting down.i guess this threw a wrench in Spey’s theories as the Mig-25 and F-14 were the successful types.
Tu 160Russia does not need to export Pakfa as Russian VVS will most likely buy 200-300 Pakfa and that is more than enough of a contract for Sukhoi, this is not the 90’s or early 2000’s when Sukhoi was starving for orders and no domestic orders. All production capacity for the Pakfa will be needed to produce Pakfa for Russian VVS and maybe later if India does not abandon FGFA for FGFA as well unless FGFA will be build in India. Russia is also well aware that selling your latest classified state of the art tech fighter is an extremely stupid idea as those various countries would be more than happy to let examine Pakfa by US/Nato analysts. So 3rd world banana republics should not get their hopes up about acquiring Pakfa before 2035 or so even if somehow they accumulate to pay around $150 million per fighter but on the other hand Russia will be more than happy to sell them Mig29M2 as RAC MIG production can use more orders in the future.
Tu 160So how much is S Korea going to pay for each F35, if its around $150 million per that little single engine 51ft figher then they are :very_drunk:
Tu 160One thing to remember that Mig 31 primarily role in war was not to engage enemy fighters even though the current version of the R33S is quite maneuverable and is capable of shooting down modern maneuvering fighters such as F15. Mig31 primary role was to shoot down enemy AWACS and Tankers and a large force of Mig 31 such as Russian VVS posses can easily paralyze the US airforce or Navy aviation or any western airforces by attacking and easily destroying its AWACS and Tankers. F15,F18E and even F22 escort will not be able to stop and protect against a Mig31 attack vs AWACS and Tankers consisting of about 12 or even less Mig31 flying at 75,000ft+ and mach 2.4-2.7+ and launching its missles 100+ miles away. Also R33S is not a direct equivalent of the ancient AIM 54C phoenix,R33S has greater range and is much more maneuverable than the AIM 54C phoenix missle. So if you are in an AWACS or Tanker and you have a group of Mig31 attacking you,then might as well kiss your a$$ goodbye as no friendly fighter will save you and you are too slow to get away.
Tu 160Well it does not have to be the whole wing folded just a smaller portion of the wing,as the F35C has a different wing its also likely the wings of the Pakfa whould be significantly redesigned. The model of the Pakfa parked on the carrier was displayed with the wings unfolded does anyone have pictured of that carrier model with Pakfa on it displayed recently?
I think it would be very difficult to fold the wings on PAK-FA,
has there been any official comment at all on a possible naval PAK-FA ?
Tu 160I meant Su30SM,budget of Russian Navy has not been stripped to the bone,is this the 90’s or early 2000’s you are confusing with,remember Russian military budget in 2016 alone is expected to be around 150 billion once adjusted for PPP and will most like increase further and I don’t recall Russian Navy budget being any smaller than Russian VVS and Russian Navy is very well funded now. Russian Navy is now buying large numbers of nuclear submarines both SSN, SSBN, SSK, Corvettes, Frigates and and refurbishing a second Kirov Class Battlecruiser and upgrading and refurbishing most vessels in service. Relatively soon large Destroyers and quite likely Nuclear Cruisers and new Carriers will be build next decade. If Russian Navy can afford all that costing a combined 100$’s of billions including the most advanced and expensive nuclear attack sub in the world the Yasen 885 class costing around 2.5$ billion each then they sure can afford a few dozen or so Su34 and Pakfa. Recently a model was shown of a carrier with Pakfa on it,so it is quite likely that a Naval Pakfa variant for use on carriers will be developed after 2020 and used on a future Russian Carrier or maybe even Kuznetsov.
First of all, what kind of designation is a Su-30SM2?? Plain wrong. You must understand that the Budget of the once so powerfull and proud RuN has been stripped to the bone. There exist no plan within Russias MoD of Chief of staff to bolster the RuN Beyond the Su-33/Mig-29K, 16 Su-30SM and a very small figure of Recon Su-24RM.
All the Strategic bombers like Tu-22M has been pulled out of RuN and into VVS Strategic Bomber units. Same With several other Su-24M units. It has been so for about two year now.There is simply not enough Funding for Russia to operate RuN in the size you are proposing here. The re-structuring of both VVS and RuN was done in response to get a more streamlined and dynamic VVS and RuN and in the same time save huge sums of funding in reducing both AB, less units, staff and Air Regiments numbers.
And consentrating on larger and fewer AB.
Tu 160Thank you my rodent friend for reminding me,I am well aware that the F35 has 3 versions A airforce version,B VTOL version and C Navy version and I knew that since the year 2000,where in my posts did I say F35A or C is a VTOL fighter??? Thanks for reminding me that “F35A is a CTOL fighter and not VTOL” Sherlock lol you must be extremely serious poster.
Don’t mistake this ‘Tu 160’ guy for a serious poster. He doesn’t realize that F-35A is a CTOL fighter and not VTOL. Calling the T-50 the potential F-35A equivalent of BRIC was a complement and he went into full trash talking mode.
I know that FGFA will have the same or very similar airframe but even this article says “with avionics similar to Russia’s version of the plane”similar does not mean the same but similar export version avionics.
Actually I have every reason to laugh and I was not the only one to consider your idea completely absurd. Your idea was developing a VTOL version of the Pakfa and also to launch it from a 16,500 ton Mistral class amphibious assault ship and its not even a carrier! Seriously do you not understand that converting the PAKFA into a VTOL fighter is completely ridiculous,it will at least need 2 large additional lift jet engines installed in the front fuselage behind cockpit,this will add huge amount of weight,will completely ruin the Pakfa proper balance and weight distribution and take a huge amount of internal space that is used for fuel and electronics,many more reasons why it will not work, even if you make a VTOL Pakfa fly its capabilities will be completely compromised. Show me one design that was even planned of a 2 engine fighter with VTOL capability, do you want a VTOL Mig31 or Pakda next, completely ludicrous. If Russian VVS or Navy needed a VTOL that bad,then they could of revived the Yak 141 that the F35 design is based off. Also remember that F35B is a very small 51.4 ft long fighter with 35ft wingspan that’s almost exactly the same size and with very similar proportions as Yak 141 and smaller than a Mig29 as opposed to the Pakfa which is a heavy 2 large engine fighter that’s 65.9ft long and has a wingspan of 46.6ft and has a much larger surface area.
Seems the UAC Boss doesn’t share your enthusiasm about the export version . They are selling the same aircraft to India
Laughter is the best medicine , but if you laugh for no reason , you need medicine.
If designing VTOL aircraft was easy there would have been a dozen VTOL aircrafts doing the round today . I accept there are challenges .Vertical thrust engines need to be balanced to allow the aircraft to take off vertically.The plane will lift only if the thrust-to-weight ratio is above 1 . Thus with a full fuel and weapons load, the plane is too heavy to lift. But the benefits are hard to argue with .
The main advantage of VTOL aircraft is closer basing to the enemy, which reduces response time and tanker support requirements. During the Falklands War, Harrier jets permitted high performance fighter air cover and ground attack without a large aircraft carrier equipped with a catapult.
Tu 160The F35 is extremely short by modern standards its only 15.67 m 51.4 ft and almost exactly the same length as a Mig21 which is a light fighter and is 14.5 m or 47 ft 6.86 ,by comparison a not so large Mig29 is 17.37 m or 57 ft long
Also the J20 seems excessively fat much like the F35,I wounder what would its empty weight be,probably more than 45,000lb
Is this bird longer than the chubby F-35?
The two engine solution, makes it look far sleeker vs F-35. Its underside looks very much like F-22.
Tu 160So F35C or is it F35A top speed is about somewhere between M1.13 and M1.31? This is exactly the top speed of the 60 year old Mig19 which has a top speed of 1,455 km/h or 909 mph which is also in between M1.13 and M1.31. Mig19 was also the first supersonic fighter to enter service in early 1954 beating the F100 by just a few months.
:confused: I am not getting your point.
Once again, how exactly did you come to that Mach number of M1.597?Speed of sound varies from ~661 kts at sea level to ~573 kts at 60k ft. At no altitude the 750 kts would mean ~M1.6, it is anywhere between M1.13 and M1.31.
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