Originally posted by Userflage
You only have to look at declassified aerial recon photos to see what NATO was trying to do in the air war. Every HAS, hanger and building at each airfield destroyed with not a scratch made to the runways. I wonder what that means 😉

Exactly what conflict were you following?!

Nis

http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/May1999/990512-O-9999M-001.jpg

Sombor

http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/May1999/990512-O-9999M-002.jpg

Sjenica

http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/May1999/990528-O-9999M-007.jpg

Ponikve

http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/May1999/990519-O-9999M-001.jpg

Obrva

http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/May1999/990512-O-9999M-003.jpg

TJ

Originally posted by Srbin
I agree Venik’s is dumb so is Pavicevic, but heyy what can you do. NATO never published the full losses, neither did we. We just said generally how much we lost but never to be exact. Only 5-6 Mig-29s were lost, not 11.

You will be well aware of the court case in which the six MiG-29s downed in air combat were revealed:

“Peric and Milutinovic noted that Smiljanic was directly responsible for the malfunctioning of the plane, since as the first man in the chain of air force command he must have known the state of repair of its equipment. Lawyer Dragisa Vukasinovic yesterday filed criminal charges against Smiljanic for the criminal offense of non-acting for the protection of a military unit. Vukasinovic said he had knowledge that a Yugoslav Air force MIG 29 had not been overhauled despite the fact that it was due for repair. The charges state that the malfunctioning of the vital equipment caused the downing of six aircraft in the same unit, and that two pilots were killed. Vukasinovic says the criminal offense Smiljanic is charged with is punishable with 15-year imprisonment.”

The six aircraft detailed in the above court case were as follows 24th March 99 MiG-29s piloted by Arizanov, Milutinovic and Nikolic who all ejected safely. Illic managed to land his combat damaged MiG-29 in an airfield emergency landing on the 24th. Subsequently, one USAF F-16, serial 90-0830, that sported a MiG-29 air to air kill had it removed. 26th March 1999 two MiG-29s shot down over Bosnia, Peric ejected safely, but his wingman Radosavljevic was killed. 4th May 1999 Pavlovic (CO of 127th) was killed.

Mark Nixon’s who lives in Serbia and Montenego and who has met with some of those pilots named above conducted research detailing that four MiG-29s were destroyed on the ground, one at Nis and three at Batajnica. The one destroyed at Nis had been flown by Illic and combat damaged on the first night of the conflict and was subsequently stripped of useful spares and pushed out onto the airfield as a decoy airframe. This was subsequently targeted by an F-16 deploying cluster munitions and the target footage appears on the NATO website. The two single
seaters destroyed at Batajnica were those that had been stripped of useful spares and were non-operational and were destroyed when HAS were targeted. Finally the two seater struck at Batajnica had been flyable up to a point just before Allied Force, but, due to a careless truck driver its pitot had been damaged and it was non-op. It was hit the first time inside a HAS, and a second time out in the open when it was used as a (real) decoy. The surviving two-seater was photographed and appeared in the media during a publicity shoot for a Miss Yugoslavia contestant. A futher loss was due to pilot error on the 26th March 1999. The pilot accepted full responsibility for stalling the aircraft while repositioning the aircraft thus bringing the total of MiG-29 losses to ALL causes during the conflict to 11 airframes.

Mark Nixon with his contacts in the Yugoslav military has revealed that the MiG-29 survivors by serial number are as follows FULCRUM A’s 18101, 18102, 18105, 18108 FULCRUM B 18301. It is well known among OSCE / Vienna Document and Dayton Accord inspectors, both military and civilian, that only 4 FULCRUM A’s and 1 FULCRUM B survived out of the total inventory of 16. These serials are also well known among Yugoslav aviation researches since the end of the conflict.

TJ

Originally posted by djnik
Thanks to Djordje Pavicevic for this pictures!

Thanks to Djordje Pavicevic for this pictures!

Djordje Pavicevic! Now there is a blast from the past. Pavicevic is not an individual that you should be collecting information from and posting onto a forum such as AFM. The following is an e-mail that Pavicevic sent to me after I posed as a radio amateur with info on several NATO aircraft losses. The info I gave him was all fake/bogus but Pavicevic and his mate Venik fell hook line and sinker for it. Pavicevic wrote:

“Via my good friend Mladen, I have found out about you and your “quest for truth” so to speak concerning NATO losses in the recent war over Yugoslavia. Right at the start, I have to say: very courageous and honorable of you! Really. I cannot find many believers in Yugoslavia, yet in some western country. So you see, it’s a very pleasant surprise. Ok, to get to the point. My name is Djordje Pavicevic and I myself have been (and still am) involved in that quest. I don’t know if you’ve seen the list that I was compiling concerning NATO losses. It was published on Venik’s
airpage (before some US Gov. officials decided to take Venik’s page of the net). I created a net throughout Yugoslavia (including many Yugoslav Army members), gathering all sorts of info. As a result, that list was created to illustrate that NATO really had losses and quite large, on the contrary to what they were saying. You can see that list /pavicevic.virtualave.net/tabela/natodowntable.htm Of course, there some info in the list that are rather unconfirmed and dubious but…at least 70% of the list is true. I got that confirmation from some high ranking Yugoslav officers. Unfortunately, Yugoslavia also has some deal with NATO concerning their losses, because everywhere I turn, nobody wants to give me a straightforward answer. Very large number of radio-amateurs were active during the war, there were a lot of voice recordings but nobody has permission now to say something about it. I know (and I even saw a picture
of the wreckage) that one B-2A was shot down near Belgrade on May 20 but why is it still a secret, I don’t know. Also, concerning those B-52s that you have mention. For one, I know it was shot down near Belgrade and crashed near Borca. One Army officer confirmed it that he was later on working an a construction crane brought there to haul the wreckage away. Also, those
F-117s were shot down in like clay shoot! I know for 4 of them over Yugoslavia plus 3 over other countries. The bottom line is…I am willing to exchange any sort of info possible regarding those NATO losses. Also, if you would be able to help me do that (and we can even publish a considerable amount of it on the internet), I would be most grateful. You have mentioned those B-52s…I’ve managed to gather some background data on them. AT least
one was from 2nd Bomb Wing, stationed in Barksdale, Louisiana. 2nd BW arrived several days before the war to Fairford. 16 aircraft altogether! Also, 2 examples of 5th Bomb Wing from Minot AFB, North Dakota were stationed at Fairford, AFTER the war have started (very unusual for that type of aircraft to arrive during the campaign). Obviously, something wasn’t
going quite right from the start. You have mentioned the nickname Cajun Fear. Do you maybe know the nick of the other one? Also, I would like to ask you if you have managed to obtain info regarding some serial numbers or codenames of other NATO aircraft that participated in the war? It would be a lot of help if we can link the reports with some serials. You have also
mentioned audio clips that you have recorded. Are there some interesting and significant information? Please excuse me for being so “nosy”, but you information are very interesting and important for our work, so you have to understand me. I’ll try not to bother anymore, so I’ll send this and hope
you’ll answer soon! Thank you very much!

Sincerely,
Djordje Pavicevic”

One born every minute!

TJ

Originally posted by flex297
15 Flotille French Navy AMD Etendard IVPM #115 hit by SA-7 over Bosnia during the Kosovo campaign

This was not during Kosovo, but 1994.

TJ

Re: picture of Pakistani F-16 in China

Strange that!If you right click on the image and check in the properties you’ll get the following:

http://homepage.tinet.ie/~steven/images/f16_1.jpg

You’ll find the webpage that the image comes from at the following link:

http://homepage.tinet.ie/~steven/roc_airforce.htm

TJ

Originally posted by Billy Bishop
Bosnian Serb AF operates about 50 planes, mostly G-2’s and J-21’s. They also have a few G-4’s and a few J-22’s. Their best plane is the J-22, which is also their only plane which uses guided missiles (AA-2 Atoll and AGM-65 Maverick). Croatia also has a few G-4’s and during the Kosovo war the KLA hired Croatian pilots to paint their G-4’s in Yugoslav colors and then use them to attack refugee camps in northern Albania to try to bring Nato into a ground war.

Sorry, but this is utter nonsense:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/markale.htm

Very similar to the claims about air raids on Rinas and Tuzla:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/rinasattack01.htm

http://www.aeronautics.ru/tuzlaattack01.htm

TJ

Re: F-111

Originally posted by mixtec
I heard the F-111 had a cockpit module that detatched from the plane in emergency which was later replaced by normal ejection seats. Does anyone know why they didnt use what seems like a really good idea?

Some of the pre-production F-111A and F-111B had ejection seats fitted before the cockpit module was installed. The cockpit module on the F-111 was NOT replaced by ejection seats. For example the F-111s in service today retain the cockpit module.

An excellent webpage on the cockpit module can be found at:

http://www.f-111.net/ejection.htm

TJ