hi don’t know if am on the right page but i went for a trip to a local scrapyard for a piece for my car and i noticed a aircraft cockpit sat on a skip not sure what type and couldn’t get close enough so took a pic with my phone (sorry about image ) does this belong to someone or is it sat there rotting just thought it might be of some interest location of scrapyard (isle of wight) nr cowes

many thanks

Is this the company?:

http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/phantom/survivors.html

“XT863 Cliftongrade Ltd. (gate guard), Cowes, Isle of Wight”

TJ

Rumour control has Varyag being moved to a new location. Are there any images of the move or its new berth?

ive seen a photo in a magazine in the 80s that showed 4 or 5 broken and shot down yet put back together u-2s in taiwan markings. this is in china. where are the pilots, what brought each plane down, guideline missiles or fighters?
the drone ending up in the soviet union was mad indeed! what was their reaction, must have been mad! interesting indeed.

Image of the Taiwanese U-2s in PRC:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/images/SAP.gif

At least two of the Taiwanese pilots shot down in the 1960s did not get released until the early 1980s!

Images of one of those U-2Cs in a PRC museum:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/490982/M/

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/807795/M/

A nice link to a Taiwanese pilots memoirs regarding the U-2:
Hopefully there are no broken links on the roadrunner site?

http://roadrunnersinternationale.com/pao.html

TJ

Lockheed D-21 drones were used. One malfunctioned and ended up in the Soviet Union. Ben Rich was apparently shown pieces of this D-21 wreckage on his visit after the break-up of the Soviet Union.

The Taiwanese also operated U-2s over China for the CIA. Lop Nur was most likely a prime target.

TJ

TJ, do you know that the interview Minqash supposedly gave was published by a KUWAITI :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: newspaper then copied by everybody else?

not to mention that the Apache was never destroyed – according to some American website – which published pictures of it with 23mm hits inside … the other version I got from the Iraqis is that it was destroyed in the fifth attempt when it spent the night in BIA, they were moving it constantly but when they dsidn’t it was hit, well that’s what they say, unless there were indeed two of them 😮 :confused: .

So, do you have something against Kuwaitis? Are Kuwaiti journalists in your book incapable of conducting an impartial interview? Are you seriously suggesting that the Farmer on his own disabled the Apache with only his trusty old bangstick?

Lt. Col. Eric Nelson gave details of 99-5135s eventual demise:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0507/p04s01-woiq.html

There was never two of them in Iraqi hands. Later on in the conflict the Iraqis released previously unseen footage of 99-5135 claiming that it was yet another Apache downed and captured. The give away was that the M261 rocket launcher was shown to have EXACTLY the same number of rockets spent as in the original footage of 99-5135. Bit of a giveaway!

For a story it looks good for the claims of IDF kills of Syrian MiG-29s on the 14 September 2001. Do you not think it falls ever so easily on the back of 9/11? Tom has always stated that the info comes from the ‘top’. Fact, there is deconfliction arranged in that region for various recce flights. (Israeli and Coalition). On the 14th September 2001 there was no IDF/AF 707 up on a mission and certainly none active in the region that the ACIG map has it. The story is nice to read, but is infact a fantasy tale that rides on the back of 9/11. Tom trusts his source(s) far too much.

according to what i know the Apache only has a cockpit able to withstand hits of 12.7mm and other parts only of 23mm the question what is doing a Helicopter in Iraqi hands? i mean look at the peasant they do not represent to much of a threat.
Is it that the pilots went to take a leak hehehehehe and simply forgot their Helicopter that costs several million dollars hehehehehehehe and went to a Mc Donnald for Burgers in the Middle of a Iraqi town hehehehehe?

The crew of that Apache, Chief Warrant Officers Ronald Young and David Williams, gave TV interviews after the conflict. The helo was hit by Iraqi fire and disabled forcing the crew to make an emergency landing.

CW2 Williams is on the record:

“We were conducting deep attacks against the Medina Division,” Dave, 30, recalled. “Our first fight was against the Republican Guard. They used cell phones to contact each other and pinpoint our location. Up at the target area they turned lights on and off and then…,” Dave pauses and shuts his eyes for a moment.

“I sit in the back and my gunner sits in front of me. I had lost the number one engine, the hydraulics, something was on fire,” he said. “I was only about 30 to 50 feet off the ground. The snakes (trails left by tracer bullets) were all around.” Dave held his hands up with his fingers intertwined to describe the wall of anti-aircraft artillery fire in front of them. Bullets came into the cabin and one cut across his boot and foot.”

TJ