[QUOTE=Blackcat]so what actually is the case???

was the UK military so dumb to have a Herc to lift 10 personal or is it the British propaganda machine hiding something?? …. for 10 ppl won’t it have been a helo good enough??

BTW whats the SAM that the video shows, thats being fired ???[/QUOTE

Your post is dumb in itself. Firstly that is an unguided rocket that is being fired. I’ve flown in Hercs where I have been only one of three passengers. Have you ever heard of a transport carrying a mix of cargo and passengers?

TJ

Did anyone notice in the wreckage the engine was NOT an Allison turbo prop…but a ‘pure jet'(possibly a J57?)…Could it be yet another ‘friendly fire’incident..?All very mysterious,the route,the height,the cargo??

Please stop talking non-sense. The remains are those of an Allison T56. Please explain how the loss of the ‘other’ aircraft/aircrew is going to be covered up? I suggest you do some research on aircraft engines.

TJ

I’ve heard this was a Jerkules rather than a Herc. Can anyone confirm?

Arthur it was a K.

TJ

Interesting. I thought J-7s without missiles are only authorized to intercept the EP-3s. Low speed characteristics of J-6 and J-8II are not very good, unlike J-7, which makes the J-7 better to shadow a slow moving propeller aircraft.

Many of the intercepts are run without getting up close and personal. They tend to stand off rather than shadow. The RC-135/EP-3E crews are aware that they are there and under ground control. It is the intention to scramble and intercept rather than hanging off the wing that is important. Obviously strict guidelines and rules were implemented after the J-8/EP-3E incident.

TJ

Nope. I think you’re refering to J-7s.

Apologies. The dates for the J-6 intercepts of EP-3s should have been 2002. On a number of occasions during 2002 J-6s conducted intercepts.

TJ

Los Angeles class SSN San Fransisco (711) run aground 600km south of Guam while conducting submerged operations. It’s been reported that 20 sailors are injured, one of the seriously.

USN expects the submarine to arrive at Guam on Monday.

More news at:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4157517.stm

and

http://www.kuam.com/news/12132.aspx

Images appearing on the web:

Is this the San Fransisco?

http://www.vaq34.com/junk/usssf_damage.jpg

TJ

On paper, some regiments are said to be still operational with them, but that’s in paper only. The planes may not be truly operational, and the regiment may only exist in paper, just collecting payroll and the elderly pilots waiting for retirement. Being a J-6 pilot in the PLAAF now is a dead end job.

I had a picture before where there is this hill of J-6 fuselages, not a pretty sight to those sensitive in this board. 🙁

It may still be a good close up combat fighter, but being WVR only has its disadvantages and the PLAAF still has the J-7s to do this. The J-6 is tricky to maintain, being two engine and all, and with a very short engine life. Many were built when Chinese factories have yet to hear about “standardized quality control”, and according to some, variances among the planes can range up to some planes being six inches longer than the others. Without the right tolerances of parts, these makes parts interchangeability among the J-6s alone, and from the parts bin, difficult and lucky shots. It makes even cannibalization difficult.

I can bet that older J-6s and the lemon J-6s would be the first to go to the scrap heap. The better built examples, the maintainable ones, and the more recent planes among them, are probably still flying around, for pilots to practice dogfighting or add hours to their sheets. Eventually they will go to.

Ironically, the Q-5 Fantan, the direct descendant of the J-6, continues to be manufactured today, with a laser target designator in the nose.

J-6s were still being used in 2004 to run intercepts on EP-3Es.

TJ

In the British base in Akrotiri there is also an airfield used by NATO.

Nothing to do with NATO.

TJ