Shrink and post them!
Say, Alastair, the Nimrod is very unfortunately named for a descendent of the pretty Comet. In American parlance, a “nimrod” is a common playground insult.
Of course, the R1P version of the Nimrod is almost as bad as All Nippon Airlines’ ANAL logo
in world of aviation designation and naming.
The P was dropped from the Nimrod fleet when they all became probed.
TJ
The intended message is to UK(where they have given asylum to Chechen separtist leader) and Georgia of course.
Please wake up and smell the coffee! If you think there is going to be strategic aviation strikes on the UK then I have a bridge to sell you.
TJ
SCUDs? Haven’t found any. Which isn’t all that suprising, since we didn’t know exactly where they were hidden in the first place, and have been a little busy dealing with other issues in Iraq instead of digging around for missiles which, really, are a dead issue by now.
Someone better inform:
They are still claiming the FROG is a SCUD. Doh!
http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/gallery/iraq-2003/0605thu4bg.jpg
“Abandoned Iraqi Scud missile mounted on a mobile launcher along the Tigris River on the outskirts of Baghdad, June 4. 1,400 experts have just arrived in Iraq to begin a detailed investigation of Saddam Hussein’s weapons industry. Visiting U.S. forces in the Gulf June 5, President Bush pledged to “reveal the truth” about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction. (AP Photo/Bullit Marquez)
“Earlier this year, a senior Defense Ministry official was quoted as telling news agencies that Russia had developed a weapon that could make the United States’ proposed missile-defense system useless.”
Depressed-angle SLBM shots.
Hypersonic Glide Vehicle. Tested from STILLETO earlier this year. The next launch from the Russians under START will be an SS-27 between now and the end of the year.
TJ
lol that why the americans never found any!!!
Found lots, but no SCUD/SCUD variants.
TJ
For, MiG-15. F-7, please refer to acig.org…
HS-748
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/560647/L/Tanzanian P-149 was featured on Airliners.net but it seems to have disappeared by now. I have two of those at home, will post next time
Many thanks for that. Much appreciated. Bits of the derilict HS-748 are now in Australia
“The cockpit section marked JWTZ and several other parts are from c/n 1751 ex JW-9008 of the Tanzanian Defence Force, which suffered a landing accident in 1987 and was written off. The remains were sold to Horizon Airlines in 1999. The bits in the background are from former RAAF navigation trainer A10-607 (c/n 1607), dismantled at RAAF East, then trucked to BAe Salisbury, then also sold to Horizon. Includes wings and fuselage.”
http://photos.airliners.net/ef95c5b8c9c6b92d820f9651290142f2/41c7e388/middle/6/5/6/240656.jpg
TJ
Can you post the images of the following? Thanks in advance.
Tanzania
MiG-15, MiG-21 (F-7), HS-748, F-27, An-12 (Y-8), DHC-5, DHC-4, P-149
TJ
Vietnam ordered the Su-30, yes? When are they due for delivery?
The first two MK2s were delivered at the end of November.
TJ
Song pictures
Any new images of the Song-Class?
TJ
TJ: You seem to have a gift for making people read through very long posts that don’t really say anything useful or answer the questions asked.
The Yugoslavs could have declared a million combat capable aircraft, the fact is most of them were old relics, ie Mig-21F’s, or J-21’s or something like that. They might have remained officially in service with the AF and thus would show up on a list of the country’s combat capable aircraft, but they definitely were not used for combat in reality. They were PURPOSELY placed out in the open because their destruction was not considered important.
Sigh Billy!
There you go harping on about MiG-21Fs. The Yugoslavs only declared their bis Fishbeds in the accord/document. None of the retired airframes are part of this declaration of combat capable airframes. The destruction of those bis airframes resulted in the 83rd Regiment disbanding. There was not enough room in the bunkers at Slatina to take all the aircraft. This forced the Yugoslavs to hide L/N out in the surrounding areas. Unfortunately they were detected by reconnaissance assets in the process of camouflaging them in their hiding positions. Take in the losses of the declared MiG-29 fleet and the losses of the Super Galeb/Galeb at Podgorica and a very small number of J-22s then there you have the 50 declared combat aircraft destroyed. The Yugoslavs were not counting or declaring any of those retired Fishbeds. Neither were they counting any retired helicopters when they declared their 11 combat capable helicopters destroyed. That is why the interviews talk about the air force suffering “substantial losses”.
Again to make it easy on you. You do the arithmetic.
Take the single seat MiG-29s declared and lost as being 10.
The number of MiG-21bis lost as being 24.
(Already you have 34 airframes lost.)
Take into consideration the Super Galebs/J-21s/J-22s lost and the number reaches the 50 declared by the Yugoslavs.
Why is this so hard for you to understand? That is why the Yugoslav military in their interviews post conflict talk of “substantial losses” in regards to the air force.
TJ
All i know is that in the 25 year service history not one SR-71 was so much as scratched by enemy fire. However an A-12 did get a minor ding from a SAM one time over Vietnam. It’s one of the only aircraft never to have lost a crew member in training or an operational sortie.
A-12 pilots have died while flying the aircraft. CIA pilots were Jack Weeks and Walter Ray.
TJ
TJ: Do you maintain that 50 combat-capable aircraft were destroyed? Because if you think that then you need to do a lot more research. Out of the Mig-29’s alone, only 9 out of 16 were flyable. The case with the older aircraft was even worse.
The definition combat-capable is a term laid out and agreed by all signatories in both the Vienna Document and Dayton Accord. In the case of Yugoslavia of course the embargo affected the inventory and its combat effectiveness. Regardless of the terms used the aircraft were combat declared and in their inventory as such.. An official lifting of the embargo/sanctions would have allowed those unservicable aircraft to regain their combat effectiveness. The last exchange of information was in January 1999 with the Yugoslavs declaring 152 combat-capable When they rejoined post conflict the declaration was 102 combat declared aircraft. So, regardless of your definitions all signatories, including the Yugoslavs, recognised that those aircraft not fully serviceable could be returned to flying status. That is the defintion of ‘combat-capable’. Thus the Yugoslavs lost 50 officially combat-capable aircraft out of their declared combat capable inventory.
Those individuals who gave interviews regarding losses also new the score when it came to ‘combat-capable’ aircraft in the inventory:
In interviews during 2001 Yugoslav air force Col. Radovan Rakovic stated:
“All our airports on the ground suffered great damage,” Rakovic said. The Yugoslav air force, he said, lost about 30 percent of its combat equipment and 40 percent of its combat systems.”
In regards to Yugoslav Air Force losses Gen Pavkovic revealed:
“Pavkovic believes the Yugoslav military was successful overall because it suffered relatively few casualties and managed to hold on to many of its weapons systems. The lone exception, he said, was the Yugoslav air force, which “suffered considerable losses.”
TJ
we saw the first photo of Saragika from the DRDO brochure recently. I think the sagarika would be a sea launched cruise missile different from prithvi. Its carriage tube on the TEL
was too thin to accomodate the fins of the prithvi (they are fixed fins, not flip-out).
its dimensions would be like a brahmos from the pic. perhaps its just a name for the land attack extended range version of brahmos.
Sagarika is the PJ-08 and is a ballistic missile. It does not carry the Prithvi III designation. The Dhanush is the Prithvi based missile.
TJ
read it and decide for yourself
http://agitprop.org.au/stopnato/19990507natolosses.php
http://kosovo99.tripod.com/nato3.htm
http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/pen-l/1999m05.c/msg00164.htm
http://kosovo99.tripod.com/nato1.htm
http://kosovo99.tripod.com/nato2.htm
http://www.combat-online.com/serb.htm
http://www.basicint.org/europe/NATO/99summit/10-1.htm
http://www.warfacts.org.yu/tourofduty/
Mwolf,
Now you are just getting silly!
“A Yugoslav Army unit ambushed a squad climbing a ravine south of Pristina, killing 20 men. When the black tape was taken from their dog-tags it was found that 12 were US Green Berets; eight were British special forces (presumably Special Air Service/SAS). This incident apparently occurred within a week or so of the bombing campaign launch.
It is known that other US and other NATO casualties have, on some occasions, been retrieved by NATO forces after being hit inside Yugoslavia. At least 30 bodies of US servicemen have been processed through Athens, after being transported from the combat zone. “
“Decide for yourself?”
Please get real here!
TJ
SOC: I know the claim comes from a Serb general, but it has been verified by inspectors. The Serbs had ~250 M-84’s prior to Allied Force. They declared ~230 after rejoining the Dayton accords, and they’ve been counted by the inspectors. Therefore it is impossible that they lost more than ~20. Is there any part of this you don’t understand?
TJ: Your list makes NATO’s campaign look more impressive than it really was because you are not allowing for the consideration that most of those “losses” were never combat capable in teh first place. For example, out of those 50 airplanes, how many do you think were actually in good condition? I would be willing to bet more than half of them were old relics like Mig-21F’s delivered way back in the 1960’s or something even older than that, and were not even flyable and were purposely placed out in the open to divert attention away from more important targets. Should those be counted as losses? A loss is when a capable piece of equipment is rendered incapable. If it was never capable in the first place, it does not deserve to be counted as a loss. NATO destroyed a lot of really old junk that was worth less than the missiles that destroyed it, but the amount of useful targets they destroyed were considerably lower.
The 83rd Regiment based in Kosovo suffered the highest losses in it’s MiG-21 fleet. Approx 24 Fishbed L/N of the Yugoslav fleet were lost on the
ground. The 50 combat aircraft losses do not include any of the ex-Iraqi Fishbed and Flogger airframes based at Batajnica nor any in the pen next to the Aeronautical Museum. Attacks on Podgorica accounted for a large number of the declared light attack combat types destroyed. Apparently the blast doors were insecure resulting in declared combat capable light attack aircraft being destroyed. The Yugoslavs were not counting any of their retired aircraft pushed out as decoys.
TJ