First, I know how Rob Hewson may speek to Russians – through translator which usually generates errors.

Moreover, I know Technocomplex spokesman – it is easy to missunderstand him.

Next, I believe Izvestya report because it is stupid: not thinking and just transferring information. Rob thinks — so, in some cases, this also may generate errors.

Finally, to the matter. I know from KnAAPO, that they delivered approx 105 aircraft kits to Shenyan for license production. So, I suppose, Technocomplex delivered the same number of avionics kits for license Su-27SKs. Technocomplex made avionics (cockpit, navigation) not only for Su-27SM, but for simple Su-27/S/P/SK also (as well as for other Flankers).

Here is a report from Aviation China 2003 where they say, that Russia offers avionics upgrades (glass cockpit) for Chinese Su-27s but China still do not want these (they do not want to re-build newly made aircraft).

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http://izvestia.ru/politic/article38614

Hm.., I believe Pinkov more than Technocomplex spokesman but anyway, I will check this. Let’s go back to this question in future

Originally posted by google
Can you elaborate more on that PiBu? That would mean that Hewson of JDW reported incorrectly when he said China received 100 upgrade kits, which seems unlikely.

Below is the text from Kanwa, January 2004

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CHINA SMOOTHLY ASSEMBLE SU27

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Shengyan J11.Kanwa Exclusive Photo

Kanwa confirmed that up till this year, a total number of XX back-up engines and parts have been delivered to China. Which means China should have manufactured more then XX Su27SK so far.

Sources from China also confirm that after the Air Force No. 1 Division, some other combat units have also been equipped with SU27SK, most likely the No. 19 Division stationed in Zhengzhou. At present, Shenyang Aircraft Company is still producing the basic model SU27SK. Russia has been actively promoting to China SU27SKM technology, hoping China would upgrade Shenyang’s SU27SK to SU27SKM standard. However, no progress has been made in the negotiation concerning the deal. China seems to have other considerations concerning the upgrading of SU27SK.

The SU27SK has been positioned by the Chinese Air force as the “air-control fighter”. As a consequence, the direction for future upgrading may focus on its air to air fighting capability. Other functions like ground and sea attacking will be fulfilled by SU30MKK, MK2, MK3 or some of its J10 fighters. Under this circumstance, the Russian SU27SKM upgrading plan may not be in line with the actual needs of the Chinese Air Force. Eventually, Shenyang Aircraft Company’s SU27SK fighters may develop towards the target that R77 and SD10 can be used.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by GarryB
In the past an experiemental missile was designated K-x…

And in present also

The mentioning of the R-77M based on previous naming standards in one of these articles suggests that it is operational… if it was not then it would not get the R- in the R-77M.

In my opinion, 77M is not operational yet; usually, many people say R “in advance”

the Su-35 designation has been accepted by the RuAF since its service entry in small numbers).

No, these are still designated 27M

Meaning of “E” in the names of Russian missiles may be various:

R-27RE or TE : Energeticheskaya (energetic, i.e with bigger engine)

RVV-AE (or AAM-AE): Exportnaya, export.
RVV = raketa vozdukh-vozdukh, i.e AAM, next A is for active [radar seeker].

AAM-AE is the export designation, whereas R-77 in RuAF designation and izdeliye [item] 170 is industry designation.

Mi-38 is not a replacement for Hip! There is no market for Hip replacement at twice price. Mi-38 is heavier and takes 5 tons inside or 7 tons at slung; next version will have 6-8 tons payload. This is intermediate helicopter between Mi-8 and Mi-26, close to old Mi-6.