abrahavtMig35 may sound like a bargain initially but if you take the life time costs into account it is probably the most expensive. It has a very big RCS. Doesnt have many of the cutting edge sensors and radars like the competition. If history is any guide availability of spares likely to be problematic. Engine smokey and more maintenance intensive than the competition. Not to mention Russia’s tendency to demand more money once the deal is signed. No point having a hangar queen no matter how cheap it is to acquire.
abrahavtAdditionally ironic since HAL just recently bought the ‘MKM suite’ for the Indian military Dhruv’s. And India is also getting components from that kit for the APS suite on T-90 tanks. Another brand new contract. So there they buy operationally ready products to protect lives while the MKI is waiting for a clearly-better-than-MIG-35-product due to come sometime… somewhere.. some day.
Aha.
You are obviously misinformed. SAAB has been chosen for the defensive suites on both the T-90 and the Dhruv. The Saab LEDS-150 has been chosen as the APS suite for the T-90 and the Saab CIDAS for the Dhruv.
abrahavtIf the Akash was that much more advanced than the SA-6, why has it failed to be deployed in significant numbers after almost 20 years of development? Why purchase the Barak indstead? More corruption in the indian armed forces again favouring foreign imports?
I wouldn’t attribute corruption to every deal out there. The Akash may be a good enough missile but is not neccesarily the best SAM out there. When the Indian Armed forces have access to state of the art technology they tend to go for it. The Barak missiles are state of the art. They have better range, better sensors and a better radar. As long India gets to work on these projects and gets the technology for these new sensors and radars etc. I dont see any problem with shelving the Akash for these new systems. They are following a similar approach with the Trishul follow on the Maitri. Alternatively India can proceed to improve on the Akash in parallel using these new sensors, radar etc. All in good time. Once India masters how to make state of the art sensors, radars etc. you will see fewer purchases from abroad.
abrahavtFor these guys their beliefs are more important than compromising every thing for a few cents. You will obviously not understand that because the likes of you will literally sell your body and soul for “more oppurtunities in life”. English is not the only way to progress. The Chinese or the Japanese or the Russians or the Germans or the French or for that matter most people of the world don’t go aping the language and habits of their former masters – only the Indians do. And what have they gotten in return?
A lot more than the students who are brain washed in these madrasas into going out into the world and cowardly murdering civilians using car bombs, blowing up trains, flying airplanes into buildings and the like. I for one dont need these beliefs about the sanctity of murdering fellow human beings and would rather compromise everything for a few cents as you put it.
abrahavtAs far as english is concerned Indians are the best as proven in the spelling bee contests. Ultimate measure of their loyalty to the old masters.
Maybe Pakistan can learn from the Indian affinity to English. Maybe if they taught English in the madrasas instead of cramming the Koran the graduates would have more opportunities in life.
abrahavtStill doesn’t explain who or what bombed the village. If it wasn’t the LCA, then what else could it be?
I hear the PAF is very active these days bombing villages frequented by the Taliban. Could it be one of them?
abrahavt[QUOTE=savion;1427687]Either I have touched raw nerve here or there might be some truth in what i said, looking at strong reaction. Which ever way you look, everyone has doubts about LCA
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The LCA is an utter failure. Are you happy. Now that you have got me to say it please leave this thread alone so that we can use it to talk about the IAF and Indian aviation without your stupid one liners. If someone looks at all your post its is obvious that you have nothing to contribute. Your sole purpose is to disrupt and provoke.
abrahavtGiven the paucity of positive news on their thread they come to the indian threads to provoke and disrupt. I have to say that their methods have become more sophisticated (despite the bad english). They couch their trolling in innocent sounding enquiries and scour the internet for any negative news about India and post it as soon as anything positive is mentioned or discussed. Their jealousy and insecurity is mind boggling. I guess I would behave similarly if I came from that part of the world.
abrahavtIndian hardware and Israeli software!!!
Can you reverse it please, so that it will be easier to digest here, as India is more known in softeware:diablo:
Maybe but the Indian engineers were having trouble with the SAR and air to ground modes so they decided to get Israeli help. The hardware is all Indian.
The future AESA radar could have foreign hardware as India is behind in the foundry techs for state of the art transmit receive modules.
abrahavtFrom the price point of view both Rafale and Eurofighter would be very expensive to buy, weaponiize and upgrade. That is why I think the Hornet is a shoo in for the MRCA provided India can live with the American terms and conditions. I think the French sense that and have not shown as great enthusiasm and effort as some of the other vendors. They sense better luck with the oil rich sheikdoms that are not as price sensitive and demanding of tech transfers and offsets.
abrahavtQatar turned down India’s offer of roughly 30 million per plane for the 2000-5. UAE would expect even more for their 2000-9. Not too many countries can afford to pay those sums for used planes, not counting the high prices for french parts, support and weapons. Dassault is charging India 40-50 million for upgrading the M-2000. French planes, upgrades, spares, services and weapons are very expensive.
abrahavtLatest on LCA from AI 2009 – all info from test pilots, developers themselves.
IAF will procure 40 LCA MK1 with GE404 IN20, including 8 LSP, 20 MK1 and 12 trainers
IAF will procure 100 (at least) LCA MK2, with new engines. Competition between EJ 200 and GE414. EJ200 is seen as newer tech.
Kaveri has met original design goals but is behind revised spec for LCA Mk2.
LCA Mk2, empty weight 6.5T, MTOW 13.5T
Current LCA range more than predicted- why? LCA aerodynamics are better than expected and GE engine is extremely fuel efficient.
Even so, more drag reduction etc will be looked at as a more powerful engine is being procured for LCA Mk2.
Current LCA has hybrid radar – Indian hardware, antenna, transmitter etc with ELTA software. Tracking of > 100 km against small targets, proven in testing.
To speed up Mk2 development EADS has been tapped for consultancy. ADA/IAF state that the current flight testing regime can be sped up drastically as an external test agency can audit the flight test points required, and eliminate the unnecessary ones. This replaces the agreement with BAe which was used earlier, but which BAe dropped out of, because they were too busy with the EF program and had manpower constraints.
Boeing was the first choice, but the issues of ITAR etc made them lose the bid.
LCA Mk1 has already transitioned to a completely open architecture system – took 3 years to develop, after IAF asked for it. The current OAC replaces an earlier proprietary federated system which ran on (then) intel 960 type chips. Current OAC replaces dual MC, dual display processors and a display map generator with a single OAC, and another (backup) on hot standby. Uses PowerPC chips – 3 versions (h/w) developed, but s/w more or less remained the same.
LCA Mk1 also has a redesigned wing structure to accomodate heavier missiles, asked for by the IAF in 2003-4.
Stores Management system is of the latest type can handle western, eastern and indian weapons, uses the 1760 standard and discrete pylon interface boxes for maximum flexibility.
In terms of handling and FBW, has won IAF confidence for flight envelope and IAF now feels ADA should directly jump to LCA Mk2 using most of the core technologies of the LCA Mk1, and begin the MCA program as well.
Other features:
– New AESA radar (codevelopment between LRDE India and either ELTA or EADS/SELEX)
– CIP (common integrated processor eg see JSF/F-22 architecture, replacing current Open Avionics Computer)
– All internal RWJ suite – radar warning jammer, with DRFM, digital receiver and able to handle multiple threats (A2A, A2G)
RWJ system also to be fielded on MiG-27 Upg and MiG-29 Upg. Currently being fitted out to the MiG-27 for trials already.
LCA Mk2 to be developed by 2012.
Apart from the above, is the airframe integration etc of the new engine which will also be covered in the same timeframe.
All in all good times for the LCA program, all LCA TP and IAF crew familiar with the program very upbeat about the aircraft and state that ADA has incorporated changes they asked for.
http://www.s188567700.online.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=828&start=105
abrahavtI doubt these will come cheap. The potential buyer will need reasonably deep pockets.
abrahavtYou are constantly hitting a glass window like a fly…IMHO the IAF doesn’t need a light fighter requirement.
Sigh! Why dont you stop your trolling. Just when this thread gets going someone comes along and tries to disrupt it with inane and contradictory arguments.
abrahavtThis is why it needs to drop the LCA as soon as possible, or only order a few units, and go full steam ahead with local built MiG-35s with full TOT. All the other contenders come with too many political and logistical strings attached.
Keep dreaming buddy. None of your wet dreams are going to come true. LCA Mk2 will become a reality by 2012 laying the foundation for a robust and state of the art Aerospace industry. Mig 35 will never win the MRCA. One of the Euro or American birds will win, which along with the MKIs and Mk2 LCAs will allow India to dominate the South Asian skies.
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