The US sale of F-16 and AMRAAMs come with a very strict verification regime to make sure that the technology does not fall into Chinese hand. France will not be able to enforce anything similar. Additionally these Radars are going to be fitted on a Chinese designed aircraft. No way it can be done without Chinese involvement. So you cant compare American sales to French sales. Maybe enough to tip the scales in favor of the Typhoon for the MRCA.
Indian Agni missiles are rail mobile which means that they can be camouflaged and hidden anywhere on the vast Railway network in India. Even if they werent so mobile Pakistan doesnt have the space assets to detect them. Therefore they are not vulnerable to a first strike from Pakistan. The Chinese probably have a slightly better chance of detecting them with their satellites.
The ATV and future Indian subs after the Scorpene will have VLS tubes that can fire either Brahmos, Agni3 SL and maybe the Nirhay from the same launch area within the sub. I think K15 is just an intermediate technology demonstrator missile till the Agni3 SL is ready.
Gorshkov was supposed to get new boilers as part of the old deal. Just the Indian Govt. trying to salvage their pride after being ripped off by the Russians. Looks like the Kitty Hawk rumours have ben squashed by US Govt. officials.
I dont think there will be a big difference in price between Rafale, Typhoon and F-18. F-16 maybe slightly cheaper. The Grippen and Mig 35 will be the cheapest. Since the last two have the least chance of success I think it will all come down who offers most TOT. I used to think that Rafale had the best chance but I think Typhoon has a good chance as they seem to be most willing to offer TOT and also the most offsets. EADs has just offered to codevelop the E-Captor AESA radar for the LCA. They have also offered the latest engine tech to develop the Kaveri. I think things are looking up for the Typhoon. The only thing that could possibly derail them is if India is offered the Kitty Hawk during Gates trip next week as rumoured. Then the F-18 will move up to front runner status as the US are insisting that India buy 65 F-18s with the carrier. Only makes sense to have the same plane for MRCA.
Here is my list in order of probability of getting the contract.
Rafale : Best chance. Some commonality with existing Mirage 2000 that the IAF loves. Few in any political strings attached. Cheaper than the Typhoon. France desperate for sale.
Typhoon : Most expensive. Cancellation of Tranche 3 dims chances a bit. Few in any political strings attached.
Mig 35. Best bang for the buck but single vendor, poor post sales support and recent Russian violation of existing contracts dims its chances in my opinion. Few if any political strings attached.
Boeing F/A-18E/F : Excellent avionics and weapons package. Airframe not as good. Unsure how much avionics & engine TOT will be offered. Adequate offsets uncertain. Too many political strings attached. Will infuriate Russia.
F-16 : Unlikely as Pakistan flies the jet and are familiar with it even though the Indian one would have a more advanced avionics package. Unsure how much avionics & engine TOT will be offered. Adequate offsets uncertain. Too many political strings attached. Will infuriate Russia.
Gripen : Too similar to the LCA. Very little chance unless something derails the LCA.
One big factor which could influence the decision is who is willing help with the Kaveri engine for the LCA and if the enhanced Kaveri can be used in the MRCA jet for commonality. This again favours the Europeans especially if the Rafale or Typhoon engine tech can be tranferred to the Kaveri.
One area where India could get help from the US is in launch detection from space. Once India gets that capability they will be in a position to work on Boost Phase interception atleast of missiles launched from Pakistan.
Bring back people like Fernandes whose mineons openly take bribes even from journalists disguised as arms agents right in the ministers own house.
IAF has historically been averse to American planes because of the sanctions issue. They opposed going with the Americans and preferred cooperation with Europe for the LCA but the politicians overruled them. Guess what. They turned out to be right. Because of American sanctions the LCA was set back by many years. You know what they say. Once bitten twice shy. But you never know. Stranger things have happened.
Here are some links on the Akash
Cutaway of missile
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/AeroIndia2007/Brochures/DSC03909.JPG.html
See through display of innards
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/akash_1.jpg
UTube Video of it slewing and firing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fB2rBoDock
It will all come down to who is most willing to help make Kaveri state of the art. The other factor that will come into play is who is willing to TOT AESA technology. With recent reports of America thinking of offering dumbed down AESA radars to India, my wager is with the Typhoon or Rafale.
http://www.frontlineonnet.com/stories/20080104242512300.htm
THERE was applause at first, followed by five minutes of silence as missile technologists of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) scanned the consoles in front of them. After 25 seconds of tension, a deafening applause broke out in the Mission Control Centre (MCC) on Wheeler Island, 17 kilometres from Dhamra on the Orissa coast. The atmosphere turned electric as the young men and women missile technologists went delirious with joy. Full-throated cries of “DRDO zindabad”, “Three cheers to DRDO” and “Hip, hip hooray” filled the room as vigorous handshaking and warm hugs added to the celebratory mood. “Gentlemen,” announced V.K. Saraswat, Mission Director, “many nations have done the interception in exo-atmosphere [between 40 km and 75 km above the earth]. But a direct hit in endo-atmosphere [at an altitude of 15 km to 30 km] is something fantastic. It is unbelievable…. It is phenomenal.”
On December 6, 2007, when the DRDO’s interceptor missile called Advanced Air Defence (AAD-02) scored a direct hit on an incoming, modified Prithvi missile, it propelled India into a select group of three countries with the ability to intercept ballistic missiles. The countries that already have this capability are the United States, Russia and Israel. According to Saraswat, the modified Prithvi missile that played the role of attacker “mimicked” the trajectory of M-9 and M-11 ballistic missiles, “which are with our adversaries”.
The sequence of events was as follows. At 11 a.m. the single-stage “attacker” Prithvi missile lifted off from its mobile launcher (a Tatra truck) in Launch Complex III at the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at Chandipur, near Balasore, Orissa. At once, radars at Konark and Paradip, both in Orissa, swung into action, located the target missile while it was climbing and communicated information about its velocity and position in real time to the MCC. The MCC, in turn, classified the target missile as a ballistic missile and assigned the task of intercepting it to the AAD-02 launcher battery located on Wheeler Island, 70 km across the sea from Chandipur. The MCC quickly calculated the trajectory of the incoming missile and where it would impact. This information was conveyed from the MCC to the AAD-02 launcher battery through a mobile communication terminal, which is a bank of sophisticated computers located on a massive truck.
After the attacker missile reached its apogee of 110 km, the command for the interceptor, AAD-02, to lift off was given. The interceptor erupted into life five minutes after the attacker lifted off. The interceptor was equipped with inertial navigation, control and guidance systems. More importantly, it had on board a radio-frequency seeker. Acting as the “eye” of the interceptor, the seeker calculated the velocity, position and direction of the “enemy” missile. The seeker conveyed all this information to the computers on board the interceptor, and the computers instructed the interceptor to manoeuvre itself towards the target. And before one had time to clap, the AAD-02 homed in on the target and made a direct hit at an altitude of 15 km. The attacker was shot down during the terminal stage of its flight. The interception took place when the target missile was in free fall at a speed of about Mach 3 (that is, three times the speed of sound) and the interceptor was travelling at more than Mach 4.
An ecstatic Saraswat, who is Chief Controller, DRDO R&D (Missiles and Strategic Systems), called the mission “a dream come true”. He said: “The data received in real time from the radars demonstrated the formation of a large number of tracks, signifying that the target had broken into multiple pieces and that the debris was tracked by the radars. The thermal cameras located on Wheeler Island also picked up the direct hit through thermal images. The achievement of a direct hit against a high-speed target demonstrates the capability of the AAD missile system to intercept targets up to a range of 2,000 km. It also signifies the development of complex guidance, control, navigation and propulsion systems; radars, seekers, computer, command, control and communication systems; robust communication networking; software development; and so on.”
Saraswat summed up the significance of the mission thus: “The successful interception certainly confirms the capability of India to defend itself against incoming ballistic missiles. We can assure the nation today that the DRDO has the technology to develop a potent missile shield for the country.”
M. Natarajan, Scientific Adviser to the Defence Minister, compared the interception to “hitting a bullet with another bullet” and attributed the success of the mission to the “pioneering work” done by young DRDO professionals. Natarajan, who is also Secretary and Director General, DRDO R&D, watched the lift-off of both the target and attacker missiles and the interception live on a video link provided at DRDO Bhavan, New Delhi.
Avinash Chander, Director, Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL), Hyderabad, described it as “a tremendous mission and a tremendous moment”. He added: “What we have achieved today is something unheard of. I don’t think any country has been able to launch a missile and hit it the first time…. The interceptor crossed the target missile at the correct point. The target missile went into fragments thereafter.”
The target missile was a modified, single-stage Prithvi, fuelled by liquid propellants. To suit the requirements of this mission, the control system of Prithvi was modified so that it could reach an altitude of more than 100 km. The modified Prithvi was 11 metres tall and weighed five tonnes. Its diameter was 1 m. Its launch, in this instance, was carried out in an independent manner by the Army, which already has Prithvi-I and Prithvi-II missiles. The interceptor was, however, “a totally new missile”, 7.5 m tall, weighing 1.3 tonnes and with a diameter of 0.5 m. It was fuelled by solid propellants.
While Saraswat was the Mission Director at Wheeler Island for the interceptor missile, D.S. Reddy was the Vehicle Director. For the “attacker” missile, Lieutenant General (retired) V.J. Sundaram was Mission Director-Coordinator.
The successful interception confirms that India has taken the first few decisive steps forward on the road to acquiring a ballistic missile defence shield. The interception in the endo-atmosphere was carried out as part of the DRDO’s quest to build a two-tiered ballistic missile defence shield. On November 27, 2006, India’s interceptor missile called Prithvi Air Defence (PAD) intercepted an incoming Prithvi-II missile at an altitude of 50 km. That was also a direct hit.
On December 2, 2007, AAD-01 intercepted a simulated electronic missile at an altitude of 15 km above the Bay of Bengal. The electronic missile was launched from Chandipur and the interceptor from Wheeler Island. That is, electronic signals that mimicked the trajectory of an enemy ballistic missile were sent. And the interceptor, which was a real missile, took off, manoeuvred itself close to the electronic trajectory and extinguished the “enemy missile” by “proximity killing” (as opposed to a “hit to kill” or a direct hit).
Informed sources warned that although these two tests, in the exo-atmosphere and the endo-atmosphere, were successful, what India had today “is only an essential module for a possible ballistic missile shield” and that it would take several more tests for India to have a credible ballistic missile defence shield.
Although Israeli and French radars were used in the mission on December 6, what was amazing was the highly sophisticated software developed by DRDO’s young software professionals. Natarajan, who took pains to emphasise the importance of the high-end software developed by the DRDO’s young team, said, “This is hard core engineering-related software, not BPO [business process outsourcing] software. It shows the significant capability of networking massive software linked to hardware actuation.… If you can do this for a missile, you can do it for civil aviation.”
Saraswat, who traced the evolution of these two interceptor missions, said they began as a concept in 1997 when A.P.J. Abdul Kalam (then DRDO chief and Scientific Adviser to the Defence Minister) asked whether it would be possible to intercept a Prithvi missile with an Akash missile (while Prithvi is a surface-to-surface missile, Akash is a surface-to-air missile).
The project itself began in 1998. There were discussions as to whether Akash could be modified, but it was decided that Akash would not do as an interceptor. After the radars were chosen, the interceptor had to be configured. Marathon discussions took place on whether the interceptor should be fashioned out of Prithvi or Agni-1.
“The whole process was difficult because the technologies were complex, starting from the choice of radars,” Saraswat said. It was a difficult journey setting up the radar stations, indigenising the radars, developing the mission control software, and so on.
“Imagine, if we did not have the radars, we would not have known that the actual interception had taken place,” he said.
Several DRDO units and private industries contributed to the mission. The Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL) in Hyderabad provided the mission control software. The Research Centre, Imarat (RCI), Hyderabad, another DRDO unit, provided the navigation, electromechanical actuation systems, the seeker on board the interceptor, and so on, all of which ensured the direct hit. The ASL provided the motors, jet vanes and structures for the two missiles.
The High Energy Materials Research Laboratory (HEMRL), Pune, also a part of the DRDO, supplied the propellants for the missiles. The ITR at Chandipur and Wheeler Island, headed by S.P. Dash, its Director, provided the range. Saraswat praised the ITR for the quality of its instrumentation. Programme Air Defence carried out the configuration of the AAD-02 missile. Indian Air Force personnel did a marvellous job of manning the radars. Several private industries, such as L & T and Vem Technologies Private Limited, Hyderabad, also made important contributions to the mission.
The DRDO has now set its sights higher. It wants to take up “the harder challenges” of engaging an Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile (IRBM), launching two missiles in the exo-atmosphere and the endo-atmosphere against a single target missile, and so on. A happy Saraswat asserted, “Today, the DRDO is in a mission mode with Agni-III, Air Defence, Astra and is preparing for the short-range surface-to-air missile, which is in the conceptual stage, that can be used by all the three services. In this, we have not included the on-going programmes such as BrahMos, Akash and Nag.”
I suspect that there is a move to convert Akash and the short range Anti Ballistic missiles into dual role missiles where they can also work as short range tactical artillery missiles with range upto 150 kms. With the increasingly sophiticated and accurate INS and radio seeker in the head dont know why they couldnt serve two roles.
If the French offer good TOT and a reasonable price I think the MRCA is theirs to loose. The Americans are tightfisted with TOT especially radars and the US Congress is considered sanctions happy. The Gripen is too similar to the LCA and has an American engine for which no TOT would be forthcoming. The Russians have left a bitter taste in the mouth with thier blackmailing and armtwisting and that along with the fact that most of the existing gear is Russian would rule them out. The leaves the EF and Rafale. Since the levels of tech are simlilar it would come down to willingness to TOT and price. It is in Dassaults interest to be flexible and accomodating on both fronts if they want to survive and prosper in the long run.
There is nothing like looking under the hood of a plane like the rafale to see how it is put together and how all the sensor fusion takes place etc. I dont think you can get that from piecemeal collaborative development of a platform that you are already familiar with.