Here’s a much more comprehensive list – http://orbat.com/site/cimh/iaf/IAF_1971_kills_REV1.pdf

http://orbat.com/site/cimh/iaf/IAF_1965war_kills.pdf

Swerve, Pak officially admits to only 2 F-104A losses A2A but whats confirmed is that the other 2 F-104As did get badly shot up at the least.

Incidentally, Wing Cdr. MSD Wollen fired 1 K-13 after another at an F-86F in 1965 and missed. He had no guns so he tried to brush his aircraft against the fin of the Sabre. The pilot, S/L Muniruddin Ahmed went “Bbbbyyy gggooooood… he nearly hit me!”. Similar things happened in 1971 when S/L Mangat wanted to ram his Sabre target in frustration.

Thanks harry. This is a find. 🙂

Oh my the next nobel laureate from pak-i-land. You surely deserve a hilale-pakistan.:)

Yes because they have common sense. See placing Su-30 MkI or mirage 2000-5 in TN against sri-lanka might seem a little provocative. I wonder why the Mirage2k’s were based in cental india and why tezpur AFB and Kalaikunda AFB are required?

By your reasoning I guess IN ASW assets are completely Sri-lanka and SEA centric?

Err why would they be based any where else? They are all based on the border not just pakistans border. That does not make them pakistan centric. You are making no sense. The joined excercises are meant to increase interoperatability and rajasthan is the easiest place. I assume that next you would be saying since pokran is in rajasthan india made the nukes to deal with threat from pakistan?? I think its very clear that nukes were due to threat from china.

The IA armoured units are useless in coastal areas as we have no one to fight in sea and cannot fight in the himalayas. A joint excercise in souther or deccan is difficult due to high desity of population. The only other area left other than that is North west aka rajasthan.

PA and PAF are very India centric and there is nothing wrong in it . After all they had to shamefully surrender to India. IA/IAF are not pakistan centric because it is simply lowering the standards. Why conduct excercise with USAF,USN, French Af and Navy, russians and british if PAf, PA and PN are the only threat?? Why travel all the way to alaska for cope thunder? All the AF’s there were better equipped than PAF.

Really? Where did the Cope India excercise take place? IA/ IAF practice near rajasthan because it is a vast desert with very little population. Not because pakistan is next to it.

Here try this kill list for IAF from 1971

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/Misc/Kill1971.html

It shows 4 kills against F-104.