http://personal.auna.com/ptma/imagenes/rafale_1a.jpg

there are people who automatically sounds like they know what they are talking about. Then, there are people that sound like Qantaz

Yeah and there are people that claim Ghazi (ex-USS diabolo) actually sank and Indian Navy ship. :diablo:

In other PN news:

http://www.coastweek.com/2932-05.htm
VISIT TO KENYA BY TWO
PAKISTAN NAVY SHIPS

Where exactly would they obtain more attrition reserves for M2k and Mig-29?

Taiwan, UAE have new ones and i don’t see them selling it. Mig-29 can probably be purchased from russia itself.

Victor
This was my point. 10 P-3Cs, 3 Agostas 90B and 6 Marlins (we will heare about the deal very soon) will not be a push over. Of course PN will be reactionary, as I stated earlier, its doctrine is sea denial. By definition reactionary.

I dont know much about the Klub missiles, but seems to be more a cruise missile to me. Of course PN are also atrting to operationalise Barbur.

The main point I was making is that 10-15 years ago, you would be right to claim PN would have been a pushover. No one would have argued with you.

Today that certainly does not hold true.

Its nice to have a sane post at last!

No you are comparing PN 15 years down the line with current IN.

15 years down the line. IN will have a minimum of

P-8 MMA
Nuke subs
Scorpene and a newer kind.
lots more ships
Atleast 2 carriers with a total of 40-50 fighters.

Still awaiting for IN ship sunk by ghazi??

The same Ghazi that sunk an IN ship?

Which ship would that be?? Looks like your lies are getting exposed. 😀 . Ghazi still lies at the out skirts of vizag.

I have proved so far that PN tech is ahead of IN in several areas. Especially MPA, Anti-shiop missiles and Subamrines. All you come back with is insults.

What insults?? IN anti ship missile PN has obsolete chinese junk and harpoons, neither as capable as brahmos or klub. MPA without adequate protection or capability to venture far from Pak coast.

I will keep it simple

Agosta 90B, P-3C, Harpoon II.

These out perform their IN counterparts. Its simple as that, if you refuse to accpet basic facts its impossible to argue with you, we can be here all day.

Agosta 90 b = 3, who said they are not better one on one with kilo. But Kilo’s will take out PN fleet (surface). Agostas are no match for IN surface ASW fleet. You have been beating around the bush without accepting this simple truth.

Agosta 90B is the reason IN scrambled around for Scorpene. The same way they will scramble around for something else once Marlin deal is signed.

So you agree IN always gets better stuff finally.

P-3C – IN tried to buy this but refused on price.

Yes for $133 million 2 P-3c with their limited range was turned down by IN. But of course PN showed its brilliance by accepting it for $120 million per P-3c. 😀

Harpoon II – “Obsolete” Your words.
TU-142 may not even be servicable.

Yes, compared to the threat PN faces from In complete Joke.
As far as i know No IN MPA fleet was grounded ever. Only PN has had the good fortune of grounding P-3c’s.

Everything I have said above I have supported with evidence. In return I get inspired ansers such as “IN will wipe out PN” “IAF will wipe out PAF”

Nothing you have said accepts the fact that PN is in no shape to match IN’s threat. You have been beating on 1-on-1 sub comparisions. Similarly 1-on-1 MPA comparisions. It looks like you sti;ll don’t get it that PN MPA’s will face IN mig-29k and harriers not IL_38 or Tu-142. While IN only has to deal with PN mirage-3/5. PN subs will face IN ASW surface fleet. Pakistan doesn’t even have a decent surface fleet.

I am not going to respond to baiting any more, if you have something valuable to say say it.

You have not dissapointed me yet. though your lies keep getting exposed.

Oh and packard it is not nonsense if mig-21 bison can see F-16 at the same time it sees the bison. but 3 agostas taking on the IN fleet must be joke of the century. 😀