Do we really know that the series built 20380’s will carry Furke as opposed to Pozitiv-ME? In one of those youtube videos of 20380 produced by the design bureau they show Furke being popped out and Positiv being put in.

From Janes and other open source reports the only problems with the lead ship were ones of software, integration, some problems with the Zarya sonar range and the build quality of the crew quarters. I’ve honestly not seen anything in the open source about problems with Furke. It’s admittedly a bit of a short ranged radar, but for a corvette on paper at least its plenty competitive with its Western peers.

I can agree to a large extent.

Still, I’m not enterely buying the concept of a <2k tons hull equipped and manned like a frigate.

It could be a smart move, by Russian Navy point of view, to ensure swift and promptly replacement of a large number of vessel ageing and/or outdated.

But on the other hand, you will have a large amount of resources locked in development, production and sustainment of vessels with no use in a blue water environment, overly heavy armed for coastal patrolling, definitely marking a turn toward a brown/green water Navy concept.

I’m more convinced that a scaled down 20380, i.e. with the same hull, without any medium range AAW, reduced or void antiship weapon (apart of 100 mm artillery), will cost a lot less both in production and sustainment, will require a lower number in manning, and still will perform the same actual duties proficently.

Put all your resources in ASW warfare (where Russian Navy has a huge gap compared to western countries and this way is putting at risk its own SSBN fleet) instead, and adopt even a small number of Talwar as stop gap measure.

Any hull about 4k tons seems to me both more easy to hosts those capabilities and more explitable in a wide range of missions and environments, and wouldn’t cost that much more.

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About a new tender for a new class of corvettes, assuming it’s not just about rumors, I would say it should be more related with mission profiles than with technical failures/theeting problems.

Maybe Furke and 9M96 (again, assuming Russian Navy really intend deploy such AAW system in a corvette) are proving troubelsome, even beyond any chance to get them working accordingly to specifications and aspectations.

On the other hand, still assuming everything will work fine and even better than anticipated during R&D phase, we are taking a look at a vessel displacing less than 2k tonnes, built upon an hull streamlined enough to resemble a frigate, with plenty of weapons system and reasonally manned.

My own speculation is that there little ground to support such a kind of vessel, because you have really quite a full fledged frigate, with all the inherent shortcomings related to such a design, and almost all the shortcomings related to a corvette.

In a corvette, devoted to patrol and defend shorelines and maritime infrastructures, I cannot see any rational adopting an AAW system far beyond the plain self defence, and any rationale in adopting an heavy antiship armament as well.

It could come at hand in small disputed seas (i.e., in the Black and Baltic Seas) but there is little ground deploying such vessels in the far North or in the East.

And the only rationale I can imagine about for spending time and resources on a whole new class is a new strategic concept, calling for a whole different set of missions and scenarios.