Until official statements reporting the actual price calculation formulas would be released, there is no clue at all about both how prices were computed and actual payments performed.
Even when a conventional currency is used to perform the actual payments, there is no limits to the range of counterbalancing mechanisms adopted to prevent wild value’s fluctuation to represent a risk to all the parts involved.
Any value expressed in USD, GBP or Euro should be taken as a conventional exemplification aimed at the general audience only.
Do you all realize any media show is just that, a media show?
Whatever show ed on those screens, has been arranged in advance purposedly to act the same way a PR dept.’s slideshow would do.
Even the workstation could have been arranged in advance to depict a demo engineering workplace.
It will be interesting to see how they deploy Vikramaditya and Vikrant in the future during exercises with Western Carriers like the Charles de Gaulle and Nimitz Class.
Also, while the Mig-29K’s can’t cross deck with American or French Carriers. The aircraft from the latter should have no problem operating from the Indian Carriers.
I think you should carefully rethink your assumptions.
Per se, nothing neither impede nor assure crossdeck operations between STOBAR and CATOBAR ships and aircrafts.
It’s all upon the specific aircraft involved, and of course the risks you are willing to endure.
Even if it does seem a bit strange, first milestone they have pursued gas ben long term ease of management of the project itself.
Having accomplished through migration of the old paper’s plans and calculations, the next goal I would aim to is a modular approach to modernisation with a careful attention to backward compatibility.
It would be great to get a new wing or even an enlarged crossnsection, but I’m more inclined to expect a long string of improvements and modifications introduced batch by batch and mostly available as aftermarket packages to old Il76s as well.
I’m becoming more and more inclined to make my debut in the realm of “ignore user function” fan club.
About designing a new wing, or changing at least fuselage aerodynamics (cross section size is a whole different story, at least if the goal is a huge increase) nothing bar the chance, if the costs/benefits ratio will be good enough.
By any evidence Il476 family will serve for decades to come, once the presente fleet recapitalization will be underway, there will be time enough to certificate every kind of improvement rated as profitable.
The Russian air force wasn’t all that interested in the KC-135 class of tanker in the past, and neither are most export customers today. If you can only afford a fairly modest fleet of tankers, you might as well make each one as capable as possible.
Fair enough – so use the Tu-204 instead, Wedgetail style. Again way more efficient than the Il-476 which is only about 15% smaller than the Il-96-300 anyway (if you’re going to use such a big aircraft you might as well make it the Il-96 and take advantage of the endurance benefit).
I don’t think so.
It happened only with A330MRTT that 2nd tier Air Forces started employing something resembling aKC10 or a notional Il96 tanker.
All time along and nowadays as well, most of them use either KC135, or Il78 or somenthing else with similar weights and capabilities, the driver behind being the amount of fuel to offload to a strike package or a couple of CAPs, not the amount to offload to a whole detachment of strategic airlifters busy with transpacific haulings.
It’s not by chance USAF devoted most of its resources to build a very large KC135 fleet, and most other userà around the world, even being able to afford just an handful of them, opted for the smaller platform.
The dame applies for RuAF as well, an Il96 tanker being a nice plus but not being required forma the bulk of the envisioned tasks.
Once in a time, I nave to agree with JSC: most likely duties for RuAF’s tankers will be related either to low intensity conflicts around CIS’ borders or in support of contingency limited deployments for disaster relief missions or, last but not least, to support SOF operations, none of them requiring very large tankers and instead requiring a distributed network of medium tankers.
No, it has no prototype. No political backing, although it would be a better basis for both a tanker & an AWACS than Il-76.
It would make, maybe, a fine strategic tanker in the class of KC10, i.e. a different class from KC46, KC135, and Il78.
It would hardly make a rational base for an AWACS, if nobody is using an airframe as large as an Il96 there should be at least no real need behind such kind of airframes.
Putting aside the rational behind inducting in military service a civilian aircraft with virtually zero civilian operating base, it would be useful to take in account sizes and performances not always are better when greater.
USAF, the most experienced AAR operator in the world, has been and is still happy with an handful (by US standard) of KC10 (same class of a prospective Il96 tanker), while the workhorse’s role has ben fulfilled by KC135 (more or less in the same class of Il78).
In most tactical mission missions a tanker as large as a KC10 or Il96 is not required, when not counterproductive at all.
It would make sense for strategic missions such as supporting large deployments abroad, a mission not even conceived nowadays in Russia.
LMFS is alive, it’s alive! *mad scientist cackle*
It still seems to me to be just hard to believe there is any scope for a lightweight LO fighter.
Numbers just don’t add up.
We could put an optimistic guesstimate of around 300 a/c in demand from foreign customers, just too little to make it affordable.
LO airframe design and construction won’t scale down easily with size requiring anyway huge effort in the R&D and advanced materials, equipment and quality control in the manifacture.
Range will be always an issue, requiring great internal fuel tanks.
Advanced avionic will require great electric power generation capabilities and carefully conceived thermal dissipation.
A smaller airframe would make everything just harder to put togheter.
If any, the most useful “lightweight” design they could pull out would be a true replacement for Su-22, Mig-27 and the likes, with a prospective goal to supercede Su-34 in the tactical role as well and giving to PAK-FA the most demanding of Su-34’s roles.
And if single engined, it will require something in the class of a NK-32 as for power requirements.
If they will develop a brand new engine for PAK-DA in the same class of NK-32, it could be a good starting point for LMFS as well, but even if single engined, the “lightweight” LMFS wouldn’t be lightweight anyway or it will turn out to be a lemon.
Wait, do you mean South China Sea? :confused:
Pretty sure IAF Il-78s can’t fly that far, or at the very least will be immensely vulnerable.
I nave answered this post above.
If I’m right, Blitzo asked if indians ambitions stretched up to operate in the South China Sea, and I don’t think so.
I believe India’s goal is to become the regional mutual security broker, this way assuring itself a good control over Malaccan straits and sealanes passing through the whole Indian Ocean, not to step upon chinese’s feet.
Power projection is an integral part within security brokerage, providing both deterrent to local crysis escalation and prevention of any power’s vacuum that could lure foreign powers to exert control over Indian Ocean.
No way.
In the eastern Asia, pushing hard to make your opponent loose his face in the worst kind of brinkmanship anyone could think of.
Being both India and China nuclear powers, I cannot help myself thinking there is no chance to see IN fighting against PLAN, even less in South China Sea.
I would find a little more likely in the future a confrontation against Saudi Arabia and GCC if Oil supplies from Iran to India would be subjected to some form of blockade by them.
see, even indian know j31 is logical choice for russia.
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Russia can probably get by w/o one, but it can’t exactly export the pakfa as freely nor the supposed mig-31 replacement.
fulcrums are an old design that’s losing competitiveness with more similar options out there. too many people here focused on security aspects of fighter design rather than the economic and financial aspects.. suggesting that russia give up its traditional markets to the west and china which would be glad to take it.some say that’s exactly the reason why there’s a market out there.
They exported in the past Mig-25, to name just one, back in USSR times. Even actually paying the exports by itself, having been military aids to allied countries.
If there will be a Country able to pay for it and trusted enough, there will be export versions of PAK-FA.
On the other hand, R&D costs and limited numbers do not allow anything like a cheap LO fighter.
And di it could not be LO, it could ne easily Su-35.
Even 2nd hand ones, if Chile is happy procuring old european F-16s, many others poorer than Chile would have a high time operating souped-up Flankers.
Seeing the need for carrier battle groups and power projections doesn’t translate in CATOBAR carrier by itself.
It has to ne related to the foreseen scenarios.
Is India foreseeing Pakistan acquiring carriers ad well?
Or is India thinking there would be the need for direct military confrontation with USA?
Actually there is no regional actor able to induct in service anything similar to a carrier, even less an organic AEW at sea.
There is only China, still far away from a real carrier capability, and located over just a few countries mainly with good relations with India.
About the organic AEW, it could amount easily up to half a dozen Ka-31, more than enough for fleet protection and to grant a good discovery radius against surface targets.
Anything else, bar perhaps a french design, would have meant India aligning itself with the western countries, something India is not buying, as it never did in his history since indipendence.
About Cavour price tag, I’m referring to euro without mistakes, as it happens I’m italian and our balance sheets are compiled in Euro only.
Within italian MoD budgets (several years in a row) it has been discovered PAAMS, Aster, CMS, ESM and so on have been paid for in different chapters, mostly along with the similar ones for the Orizzonti’s DDG and a crude repartition od costs producend a round half a billion euros additional costs.
Translating che final cost in US dollars it means far more than 2,5 billion USD.