…The 212’s are new Greece should have a good run with them…

Actually it’s Germany and Italy that is going to use the 212 class. Greece and South Korea are going to have 214’s which are bigger in size and have more tubes.

For those who have access to USNI Proceedings magazine there is a very interesting article called “Liberty Victims Did Not Die in Vain” by Mr. Anthony R. Wells about the USS Liberty incident on March issue. It is highly recommended.

Isn’t it considered a curse to rename a ship in naval tradition? Certainly didn’t work out for the “Deutschland/Lutzow”, she was blown apaprt by Norwegian coastal batteries in 1940…., unless I’m mistaken as I seem to think that was the cruiser Blucher’s fate :confused:

I know that I’m driftin from the topic but Lützow did survived the Norwegian coastal batteries. She was badly damaged by three 6-ton Tallboy bombs dropped by the Royal Air Force in April, 1945 as it lay off Swinemünde, and she came to rest on the bottom. She was repaired, and then did further support of the army; and was finally scuttled by her crew in May.

Here is some information about the submerged speed of USN submarines:

Ohio class: 25 Kts
Virginia class: 35 kts
Sea Wolf class: 35+ kts
Los Angeles class: 30+ kts

Source: USNI Combat Fleets 2002

According to Tom Clancy’s Submarine book the Los Angeles class is designed to achieve speeds greater than 35 kts submerged.

About 11 and 12

@Twilight2002:

The boats number 11 and 12 are an old Soviet design. They are called Type 083 or P 6 Class. Made of wood, the design dates back to fifties.

Displacement: 73 tons
Dimensions: 26 x 6 x 1,5 metres
Speed: 41 knots