According the information we know now, the NGF:
1. About 1/4 to 1/2 larger/heavier than Rafale.
2. MTOW that will be similar to Mirage IV in 1960s.
3. Requirement of significant better payload and combat range than Rafale and Eurofighter.
4. Two engines of 30,000 pounds class each.
My personal guess for NGF according to the information mentioned above:
1. Empty weight: 12.5 to 15.0 ton (Rafale: 10.0 ton; EF-2000: 11.0 ton; F-22A: 19.6 ton).
2. Internal fuel capacity: 6.5 to 8.0 ton (Rafale: 4.7 ton; EF-2000: 5.0 ton; F-22A: 8.0 ton).
3. Maximal payload: 10.0 to 12.0 ton (Rafale: 9.5 ton; EF-2000: 7.5 ton).
4. MTOW: 30.0 to 35.0 ton (Mirage IV: 33,450 kg; Rafale: 24,500 kg; EF-2000: 23,500 kg).
5. Weight for air-combat: 18.0 to 21.0 ton (50% internal fuel + 2.0 ton payload).
6. Thrust of engine: 30,000 Ib*2 (Rafale: 17,000 Ib*2; EF-2000: 20,250 Ib*2; F-22A: 35,000 to 39,000 Ib*2 ).
7. T/W ratio for air-combat: 1.3 to 1.5+ (Under the same conditions, Rafale: 1.07; EF-2000: 1.19; F-22A: 1.24 to 1.38).
Hmmm….not a bad start for a future European air superiority fighter, right?:D
It is UK, German, Italy, and Spain that gave up Tranche 3B Typhoon at first., and now they want to blame Belgium for being disloyal to European cooperation ??
GAF and SPAF may introduce 120 to 140 new tranche (tranche 4 ?) of Eurofighter during 2025 to 2030…..
GAF: around 90 new fighters for replacing the current Tornado.
SPAF: 30 to 50 new fighters for replacing the current F-18.
http://www.infodefensa.com/es/2018/03/28/noticia-espana-puerta-compra-hasta-eurofighter.html
Germany politicians:
Q1: What will Germany replace The Tornado with ? Ans 1: Anything but the goddamned F-35.
Q2: What shall Germany do if the successor of Tornado lacks the ability to carry B-61 bombs ? Ans 2: Who cares ?? Just let other NATO’s members do this dirty work.
https://sputniknews.com/military/201…ef-f-35-fired/
As Germany continues to consider options for replacing its old Tornado jet fighters, the head of the German Luftwaffe will literally be fired if he says the words “F-35” publicly again, according to a recent report.
“Luftwaffe sources tell me, if Germany’s Air Force Chief says ‘F-35′ once again, he will likely be fired. Seems political leadership is still learning towards EU-solution (either nuke-capable Typhoon upgrade or new European jet,” German journalist and defense expert Christian Theils said in a January 30 tweet.
One issue with buying Tornado fighter jets is that they lack the ability to carry nuclear weapons. Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Turkey have a combined arsenal of roughly 200 B-61 gravity bombs as part of their NATO commitment, according to the Nuclear Threat Initiative.
Speaking on the possibility that Germany chooses an aircraft in the future that cannot carry nukes, then-US Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Welsh told lawmakers in March 2014, “As NATO nations — if they choose not to upgrade their own nuclear aircraft capabilities, then other NATO nations that have those capabilities from an operational perspective will pick up the load.”
Very interesting……
https://sputniknews.com/military/201802021061277551-german-air-force-chief-f-35-fired/
As Germany continues to consider options for replacing its old Tornado jet fighters, the head of the German Luftwaffe will literally be fired if he says the words “F-35” publicly again, according to a recent report.
“Luftwaffe sources tell me, if Germany’s Air Force Chief says ‘F-35′ once again, he will likely be fired. Seems political leadership is still learning towards EU-solution (either nuke-capable Typhoon upgrade or new European jet,” German journalist and defense expert Christian Theils said in a January 30 tweet.
One issue with buying Tornado fighter jets is that they lack the ability to carry nuclear weapons. Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Turkey have a combined arsenal of roughly 200 B-61 gravity bombs as part of their NATO commitment, according to the Nuclear Threat Initiative.
Speaking on the possibility that Germany chooses an aircraft in the future that cannot carry nukes, then-US Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Welsh told lawmakers in March 2014, “As NATO nations — if they choose not to upgrade their own nuclear aircraft capabilities, then other NATO nations that have those capabilities from an operational perspective will pick up the load.”
http://www.janes.com/article/77413/raf-to-scrap-twin-seat-typhoons
The UK Royal Air Force (RAF) is to scrap 16 UK Eurofighter Typhoons as part of a project to save GBP 800 million (USD1.13 billion) on the running cost of the service’s combat aircraft fleet.
The plans to dismantle the aircraft and harvest spare parts for use on the remainder of the Typhoon fleet were revealed to Jane’s on 29th January by RAF Air Command at High Wycombe, in Buckinghamshire, in response to a Freedom of Information (FOI) Act request.
The project, known as Reduce to Produce (RTP), aims to generate GBP50 million worth of parts from each airframe “back into the supply chain”, according to the FOI data.
Thank You very much.
May anyone here interpret this French news more clearly in English ?? Thanks very much.
https://www.lopinion.fr/blog/secret-defense/lpm-moins-rafale-plus-mrtt-140627
Taking Qatar’s Rafale deals for example:
1st deal (2016/03/30): 7.5 billion USD.
a. 24 Rafale F3-O4Ts (18 Rafale C and 6 Rafale B).
b. Training for 36 Qatari pilots and some 100 mechanics.
c. Weapons:
* AM39 Block2 Mod 2 ASM *60
* SCALP-EG cruise missile * 140
* AASM * 300
* MICA AAM * 300 (RF*150 and IR*150)
* Meteor BVRAAM * 160
(Around 312.5 million USD per Rafale with many extra costs for weapon, training, logistics etc.)
2nd deal (2017/12/07): 1.3 billion USD for 12 more Rafale.
(Around 108.3 million USD per Rafale itself)
Saudi Arabia bought 72 Eurofighter in 2007, with the price of 4.43 billion GBP.
The price mentioned above was just for the fighters themselves only. According to the UK’s estimation at that time, the final program cost for this procurement shall be 30 billion GBP in total, including the costs for training, logistics, weapon procurement, and operation of 25 years.
1. What bad thing may happen to Eurofighter if the US gets the entire source code of Typhoon ??
2. If German airforce can let its own Tornado to be integrated with the specific command systems required for nuclear delivery in1980s, then why Typhoon can’t be let to do the same thing now ??
The production numbers and the customers for the Eurofighter Typhoon (2017/12/10):
RAF: 160 fighters in total (3 IPAs, 50 T1s, 67 T2s, 40 T3s).
GrAF: 143 fighters in total (3 IPAs, 32 T1s, 78 T2s, 30 T3s).
ItAF: 96 fighters in total (1 IPA, 27 T1s, 47 T2s, 21 T3s).
SpAF: 73 fighters in total (1 IPA, 18 T1s, 34 T2s, 20 T3s).
AsAF: 15 fighters in total (15 T1s),
RsAF: 72 fighters in total (48 T2s, 24 T3s).
RoAF: 12 fighters in total (12 T3s).
KwAF: 28 fighters in total (28 T3s).
QAAF: 24 fighters in total (24 T3s).
Total conclusion:
* 623 fighters in total (8 IPAs, 142 T1s, 274 T2s, 199 T3s).
* Four original customers with 472 original orders (8 IPAs, 127 T1s, 226 T2s, 111 T3s)
* Five foreign customers with 151 exporting orders (15 T1s, 48 T2s, 88 T3s).
1. German Air Force wants to procuring about 40 new fighters for replacing the 85 Tornado fighter-bomber it has now.
2. Germany government wants to co-develop the next generation European fighter with French.
If German chooses F-35, or anything other than Eurofighter for replacing Tornado fighter-bomber, then they will have to pay a lot of money for procuring, supporting, and maintaining a completely different fighter with the number of just 40.
Moreover, after 2035 or 2040, GAF will have to afford three completely different manned fighters (Eurofighter, F-35, and FCAS) for many years.
Therefore, I think German Defense Ministry’s favoring plan (replacing Tornado with Eurofighter) is reasonable.
Qatar’s Eurofighter deal (2017/12/10):
1. 24 Typhoon aircraft.
2. Will be assembled in the UK by BAE Systems (2018 – 2025).
3. Cost: around £6 billion (or 8 billion USD).
3. Including an agreement with MBDA for Brimstone and Meteor missiles and the highly-accurate Raytheon’s Paveway IV UK-manufactured weapon for the jets.
4. The Defence Secretary also agreed a package of training and co-operation between the Air Forces which will see them working together more regularly, including Qatari pilots and ground-crew training in the UK.
5. The beginning of delivery: late 2022.
6. Qatar will be the ninth country to purchase the Typhoon.
7. The total production number of Eurofighter now: 623.