I wonder if UAE and Brazil can make their final decisions for F-X this year.
I seem to be recall report of the last 48 Typhoon have not been formally ordered yet. Ever since when Saudi said that they are interested in a new batch of F15, there has been doubt about the eurofighter order.
The contract that was signed by Saudi in 2007 includes 72 Eurofighters, and UK has already produced all of the components for these 72 Eurofighters.
The main problem now is that Saudi has not yet decided where to assemble the last 48 Eurofighters……
JASDF official explanation for the reason of choosing F-35A as the final winner of F-X:
http://www.mod.go.jp/j/press/news/2011/12/20a.pdf
1. Fighter’s capability:
* Flying performance, Radar/Fire-Control, EWS, Anti-stealth target capability, and A2G capability: All participants are good enough.
* Multi-sensor and Data fusion capability: F-35A is better than the other two participants.
2. Costs:
* F/A-18E has the cheapest procurement cost.
* Eurofighter has the lowest fuel consumption cost.
* However, only F-35A has the same AAR system as the one that JASDF is using right now ~ Considering the extra AAR revision costs for F/A-18E and Eurofighter, the F-35A shall have the lowest overall cost.
3. Domestic industrial cooperation:
* The offer from Eurofighter Gmbh is the most attractive.
* However, all offers from the three contenders can fit the whole Japanese requirement for domestic industrial cooperation, so Eurofighter Gmbh can’t get higher score than the other two contenders in this field…… đ
4. Logistics:
* The three contenders are equal in the most criteriae of this field.
* However, F-35A has the better performance than the other two participants in one criteria of this field.
Don’t worry, if the Rafale doesn’t win, the Rafale crew here will promptly declare it had nothing to do with performance.
Well, I believe many Typhoon crews here will also do the same thing if Eurofighter loses the competition…..:D
In a joint âconfidentialâ missive to the Prime Minister sent last week, British PM David Cameron, German Chancellor Angela Merkel â along with Italian and Spanish Prime Ministers â have said the EADSâ Eurofighter is an âexcellent aircraft that stands on its own meritâ.
An excellent aircraft that none of you want to afford its Tranche 3B production and half of you want to get rid of the Tranche 1 fighters ASAP, how persuasive you are…..:diablo:
Nice pics, is it known when the unit was formally inaugurated with the Rafale?
Normandie-NiĂ©men, the fourth FAF’s Rafale frontline squadron, shall formally enter service during the summer, 2012.
MĂȘme si l’EC-2/30 ne devrait ĂȘtre mis en service opĂ©rationnel qu’Ă l’Ă©tĂ© 2012 (annĂ©e qui marquera Ă©galement les 70 ans du prestigieux “Neu-Neu”), un premier noyau de cinq Ă six avions doit ĂȘtre mis en place courant septembre sur la base landaise. Les appareils, prĂ©levĂ©s sur le parc de l’EC-1/7 “Provence”, permettront une montĂ©e en puissance progressive de l’unitĂ©. Les premiers Ă©quipages assignĂ©s Ă l’EC-2/30 ont Ă©tĂ© identifiĂ©s depuis longtemps, et certains d’entre eux participent dĂ©jĂ aux opĂ©rations sur la Libye depuis la base sicilienne de Sigonella. A ce jour, il est toujours prĂ©vu que ce troisiĂšme escadron Rafale ne soit Ă©quipĂ© que d’appareils monoplaces et prenne en charge tout le spectre des missions conventionnelles.
Was Rafale ever considured in Japan?
Japanese had asked Dassault for Rafale’s RFP at the early stage of its new F-X project, but Dassault refused to offer it then because of the unpleasant experience of Southern Korean F-X competition in 2002.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Air_Force_of_Oman
The fighters and Jet trainers of Oman AF today:
1. 12 F-16C/D (2005), which will not be retired until 2030 at least.
2. 18 Jaguar (1977), which shall be replaced the new batch of F-16C/Ds.
3. 15 Hawk 103/203 (1993).
In my opinion, it is really hard to believe that Oman AF will finally choose EF-2000 as the successor of its own Hawk 103/203 right now.
It’s getting ridiculous in how the Gripen NG is so underrated among some posters here.
Well, the fighters that are so overrated among some posters here have to compete the title of “All Loser the Great of International F-X projects, 2011” right now:D
People of over-optimism, over-confidence, or over-arrogance will always be punished by God.
Time for deciding:
“Rafale or Typhoon, All Loser the Great of International F-X projects, 2011”:D
During the recent two months, Rafale has been slapped by UAE and Switzerland, while Typhoon has been slapped by Switzerland, Japan, and perhaps Oman……
And now it’s time for India to decide which one will get the final fatal K.O.:diablo:
The financial crisis and the burden of social welfare for France are no less than those for USA, UK, Germen, Italy, and Switzerland etc. If the domestic procurments for F-22, F-35, EF-2000, and Gripen all have to be sacrificed a lot for such crisis and burden, then I see no reason why Rafale can be an exception.
@toan,
how did you come to these results? Especially the part with operating and unit cost? Why the Gripen gets 10.00 in both and the Eurocanards suck in these aspects? What did you use as a benchmark? The Gripen:confused:
Or you were just being completely ironic:o
Well, I think my previous post is partially ironic, and partially serious ~ I really believe that Swiss government chooses Gripen as the final winner because it thinks overall price is more important than overall performance. But for the scores of unit cost and operating cost for the three fighters that I gave in my previous post ~ Yes, I mean to make of fun more than to be serious:D
Can’t quite see the huge gap in operating cost between Gripen and the other Eurocanards. I would understand if Gripen had 10.00 and EF/Raf had scores between 6-7.00 (mainly due to twin engines)… but 3.00?
Well, the SAAB has declared that the Gripen NG’s operating cost shall be around 5,000 USDs per flight hour, while the datas of operating cost we know for both Rafale and EF-2000 up to now are no less than 15,000 USDs per flight hour……
Ok, I know SAAB’s estimated operating cost for Gripen NG has many problems and may be proved to be far from the reality one day, but it is still a very good data for Swiss government to choose to believe in order to make the Gripen as the chosen one……:D
The real truth is far from the most important thing when you have already decided your own choice. The real important things are datas, informations, declarations, and advertisements that can make your decision seems wise and reasonable, no matter how absurd they actually are ~ Austria wants EF2K, so the price of Gripen C/D can be less than 3% cheaper than Typhoon accoring to its announcement. Norway likes F-35, so the price of Gripen NG can be even more expensive than JSF according to its study. And now Swiss chooses Gripen NG, and of course it shall choose to believe the datas / informations / advertisements that declare Gripen NG will be much, much, much more cheaper than Rafale, Typhoon, and Super hornet…….:diablo:
I think that if Swiss government takes the unit cost and the operating cost into serious consideration for its F-X fighter, then there shall has no problem for it to make Gripen as the superior one in its final conclusion.
My personal guess for the Swiss government thought of its final decision……..
1. Over all performanceïŒ
* Rafale: 7.35
* EF2000: 6.52
* Gripen: 5.65
2. Unit costïŒ
* Gripen: 10.00
* Rafale: 6.00
* EF2000: 5.50
3. Operating cost:
* Gripen: 10.00
* Rafale: 3.00
* EF2000: 3.00
4. In total:
* Gripen: 25.65
* Rafale: 16.35
* EF2000: 15.02
Final conclusion: The Winner is~~~~Griiiiiiiippppppen!!!!!!……:D
I think this incident shows a big problem for high-tech stealthy UAV/UCAV ~ If it is lost during a real military mission (no matter due to the shot-down or the system’s broken-up), it has no pilot to make sure that its critical systems and components will be destroyed completely before the plane is captured by the enemy…..