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December 12, 2017 at 12:45 am in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon discussion and news 2015 #2127661

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Qatar’s Rafale deals:

http://www.china.org.cn/world/Off_the_Wire/2016-03/30/content_38137593.htm

1st deal (2016/03/30): 7.5 billion USD.

a. 24 Rafale F3-O4Ts (18 Rafale C and 6 Rafale B).

b. Training for 36 Qatari pilots and some 100 mechanics.

c. Weapons:
* AM39 Block2 Mod 2 ASM *60
* SCALP-EG cruise missile * 140
* AASM * 300
* MICA AAM * 300 (RF*150 and IR*150)
* Meteor BVRAAM * 160

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/qatar-france-sign-1bn-fighter-jet-deal-amid-gulf-crisis-1784950

2nd deal (2017/12/07): 1.3 billion USD for 12 more Rafale.

December 9, 2017 at 4:08 pm in reply to: Rafale 2017-2 #2128025

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Qatar’s Rafale deals:

http://www.china.org.cn/world/Off_the_Wire/2016-03/30/content_38137593.htm

1st deal (2016/03/30): 7.5 billion USD.

a. 24 Rafale F3-O4Ts (18 Rafale C and 6 Rafale B).

b. Training for 36 Qatari pilots and some 100 mechanics.

c. Weapons:
* AM39 Block2 Mod 2 ASM *60
* SCALP-EG cruise missile * 140
* AASM * 300
* MICA AAM * 300
* Meteor BVRAAM * 160

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/qatar-france-sign-1bn-fighter-jet-deal-amid-gulf-crisis-1784950

2nd deal (2017/12/07): 1.3 billion USD for 12 more Rafale.

December 9, 2017 at 4:05 pm in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon discussion and news 2015 #2128028

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Qatar’s Rafale deals:

http://www.china.org.cn/world/Off_the_Wire/2016-03/30/content_38137593.htm

1st deal (2016/03/30): 7.5 billion USD.

a. 24 Rafale F3-O4Ts (18 Rafale C and 6 Rafale B).

b. Training for 36 Qatari pilots and some 100 mechanics.

c. Weapons:
* AM39 Block2 Mod 2 ASM *60
* SCALP-EG cruise missile * 140
* AASM * 300
* MICA AAM * 300
* Meteor BVRAAM * 160

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/qatar-france-sign-1bn-fighter-jet-deal-amid-gulf-crisis-1784950

2nd deal (2017/12/07): 1.3 billion USD for 12 more Rafale.

So, it may be true that Dassault didn’t lie to Indian government about the price of Rafale, and 10 billion USD may be enough for procuring 126 Rafale at the time of 2012 ~ Fighter only without any other training, supporting, base setting, domestic producing, or weapon procuring cost

October 29, 2017 at 1:20 am in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon discussion and news 2015 #2138524

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Too many bad news for Eurofighter recently…..

https://theaviationist.com/2017/10/28/yemens-houthi-rebels-claim-they-have-shot-down-a-saudi-eurofighter-typhoon-over-yemen/

July 15, 2017 at 2:48 am in reply to: Airbus: European Future Fighter Program #2160856

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http://www.defensenews.com/articles/interview-french-procurement-chief-laurent-collet-billon-on-the-pursuit-of-a-european-defense

Interview: French procurement chief Laurent Collet-Billon on the pursuit of a European defense

By: Pierre Tran, June 18, 2017

There is [the] Tornado replacement for Germany by 2035, and then Eurofighter and Rafale replacement in 2040-45. And before 2035, the question of UCAV has also to be addressed. How do we arrange a common roadmap? There will be dialog with other European countries, the start of a long road.

July 14, 2017 at 4:49 pm in reply to: Airbus: European Future Fighter Program #2161301

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Or we can assume that the future european fighter program will be hopeless if the countries like UK, Italy, and Spain etc. finally decide their future fighters shall be ” Buy American only”…….

July 14, 2017 at 3:55 pm in reply to: The future of Austrian fighter fleet #2161341

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Simply speaking, Austrians want 18 “new” fighters with the whole life program cost of around 3 billion Euros, including the procurement cost, the training cost, the logistics cost, and the operating cost of 30 years.

July 14, 2017 at 3:43 pm in reply to: Airbus: European Future Fighter Program #2161388

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GAF + FAF: 307 ~ 368 EF-2000 and Rafale need to be replaced at the time of 2040 ~ 2060.

GAF + FAF + SpAF: 380 ~ 441 EF-2000 and Rafale need to be replaced at the time of 2040 ~ 2060.

GAF + FAF + SpAF + ItAF: 448 ~ 509 EF-2000 and Rafale need to be replaced at the time of 2040 ~ 2060.

GAF + FAF + SpAF + ItAF + SwAF: 508 ~ 579 EF-2000, Rafale, and Gripen need to be replaced at the time of 2040 ~ 2060.

GAF + FAF + SpAF + ItAF + SwAF + RAF: 615 ~ 686 EF-2000, Rafale, and Gripen need to be replaced at the time of 2040 ~ 2060.

July 14, 2017 at 3:29 pm in reply to: Airbus: European Future Fighter Program #2161402

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1. German AF:
* 85 Tornado –> Retirement: around 2030.
* 143 Eurofighter –> Retirement: post-2040.

2. Spanish AF and Navy:
* 71 EF-18A –> Retirement: around 2025 ~ 2030.
* 13 AV-8B –> Retirement: around 2025 ~ 2030.
* 73 Eurofighter –> Retirement: post-2040.

3. Royal AF:
* 30 EF-2000 Tranche 1 –> Retirement: around 2030
* 107 EF-2000 Tranche 2&3 –> Retirement: post-2040.

4. French AF and Navy:
* 125 Mirage 2000 series –> Retirement: 2018 ~ 2030, successor: Rafale F3, F3-O4T, and F4.
* 61 early productional Rafale B/C/M –> Retirement: 2030 ~ 2040.
* 164 late productional Rafale B/C/M –> Retirement: 2040 ~ 2060.

5. ItAF”
* 68 EF-2000 Tranche 2&3 –> Retirement: post-2040.

July 8, 2017 at 3:28 pm in reply to: The future of Austrian fighter fleet #2166435

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The Austrian government now wants something that is much cheaper than Typhoon ~ A new supersonic fighter with the number of 18 that will cost much less than 5.0 billion Euros after 30 years of service life.

And the new supersonic fighter must be availabe at the time of 2020 to 2023.

July 8, 2017 at 3:24 pm in reply to: The future of Austrian fighter fleet #2166470

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The Austrian government now wants something that is much cheaper than Typhoon ~ Some fighter with the number of 18 that will cost much less than 5.0 billion Euros after 30 years of service life.

July 8, 2017 at 5:13 am in reply to: The future of Austrian fighter fleet #2166941

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4. Indian LCA Tejas MK1.

July 8, 2017 at 5:04 am in reply to: The future of Austrian fighter fleet #2166966

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Other possible choices:

1. Buying or leasing 2nd hand F-16A/B/C/D.

2. IAI Kfir block 60.

3. Buying 2nd hand Mirage 2000-9 from UAE.

June 21, 2017 at 4:13 pm in reply to: Rafale 2017-2 #2179199

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73 new Rafale F4 ?? Does that mean the procuring number of domestic Rafale will be increased (from 225 to 253 or so) ?? Or some of the new Rafale F4 will come from the upgrading Rafale F3R ??

June 16, 2017 at 10:42 am in reply to: Airbus: European Future Fighter Program #2185964

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1. German AF:
* 85 Tornado –> Retirement: around 2030.
* 143 Eurofighter –> Retirement: post-2040.

2. Spanish AF and Navy:
* 71 EF-18A –> Retirement: around 2025 ~ 2030.
* 13 AV-8B –> Retirement: around 2025 ~ 2030.
* 73 Eurofighter –> Retirement: post-2040.

3. Royal AF:
* 30 EF-2000 Tranche 1 –> Retirement: around 2030
* 107 EF-2000 Tranche 2&3 –> Retirement: post-2040.

4. French AF and Navy:
* 125 Mirage 2000 series –> Retirement: 2018 ~ 2030, successor: Rafale F3, F3-O4T, and F4.
* 61 early productional Rafale B/C/M –> Retirement: 2030 ~ 2040.
* 164 late productional Rafale B/C/M –> Retirement: 2040 ~ 2060.

5. ItAF”
* 68 EF-2000 Tranche 2&3 –> Retirement: post-2040.
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