toanThank you for your correction, Mr. Scorpion82:)
toanCustomers of Eurofighter (2009-07-31, the deal of Tranche IIIA was formally signed):
RAF：IPA*3, Tranche I*50, Tranche II*67, Tranche IIIA*40, Tranche IIIB*48 –> 208 in total.
GAF: IPA*2, Tranche I*32, Tranche II*78, Tranche IIIA*31, Tranche IIIB*37 –> 180 in total.
ItAF: IPA*1, Tranche I*27, Tranche II*47, Tranche IIIA*21, Tranche IIIB*25 –> 121 in total.
SpAF: IPA*1, Tranche I*18, Tranche II*34, Tranche IIIA*20, Tranche IIIB*14 –> 87 in total.
Austria AF: Tranche I*15 –> 15 in total.
RSAF: Tranche II*24 (From RAF) + 48 (Domestic Assembly) –> 72 in total.
Total Production: IPA*7, Tranche I*142, Tranche II*298, Tranche IIIA*112, Tranche IIIB*124 –> 683 in total.
Customers of Eurofighter (2010-07-21, Italian MOD formally declared to cancel its Tranche IIIB project):
RAF：IPA*3, Tranche I*50, Tranche II*67, Tranche IIIA*40, Tranche IIIB*48 –> 208 in total.
GAF: IPA*2, Tranche I*32, Tranche II*78, Tranche IIIA*31, Tranche IIIB*37 –> 180 in total.
ItAF: IPA*1, Tranche I*27, Tranche II*47, Tranche IIIA*21 –> 96 in total.
SpAF: IPA*1, Tranche I*18, Tranche II*34, Tranche IIIA*20, Tranche IIIB*14 –> 87 in total.
Austria AF: Tranche I*15 –> 15 in total.
RSAF: Tranche II*24 (From RAF) + 48 (Domestic Assembly) –> 72 in total.
Total Production: IPA*7, Tranche I*142, Tranche II*298, Tranche IIIA*112, Tranche IIIB*99 –> 658 in total.
PS: Both UK and German have been prepared to kill their own Tranch IIIB productions. The final fate of Tranche IIIB will be decided in 2011. In the worst condition (Cancelling the Tranche IIIB project completely + No more foreign customer for buying the new built Eurofighter), the total productional number of Eurofighter may be reduced to 559 at that time:
Customers of Eurofighter (In the worst condition after 2011):
RAF：IPA*3, Tranche I*50, Tranche II*67, Tranche IIIA*40 –> 160 in total.
GAF: IPA*2, Tranche I*32, Tranche II*78, Tranche IIIA*31 –> 143 in total.
ItAF: IPA*1, Tranche I*27, Tranche II*47, Tranche IIIA*21 –> 96 in total.
SpAF: IPA*1, Tranche I*18, Tranche II*34, Tranche IIIA*20 –> 73 in total.
Austria AF: Tranche I*15 –> 15 in total.
RSAF: Tranche II*24 (From RAF) + 48 (Domestic Assembly) –> 72 in total.
Total Production: IPA*7, Tranche I*142, Tranche II*298, Tranche IIIA*112 –> 559 in total.
toanA nice demo from IPA 5 during Farnborough with a full load of 3 x 1000 l tanks, 2 x ASRAAM, 4 x AMRAAM and 4 x PW II (1000 lb).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4psRKtsy9c
1. The total weight of the payload metioned above should be between 5,000 and 5,500 kg.
2. With this kind of payload, it took Typhoon 11 or 12 seconds to take-off.
3. It took Typhoon with this kind of payload about 35 secs to turn 360 degrees horizontally (around 10 deg/sec), and about 29 secs to loop 360 degrees vertically (around 12 deg/sec).
4. With this kind of payload, the maximal G that Typhoon had achieved during the flight show was 5.5G, and the maximal AoA that Typhoon had achieved during the flight show was more than 20 degrees (http://logisticsweek.com/feature/2010/07/eurofighter-typhoon-to-display-agile-multi-role-capability-at-farnborough-international/).
toanThanks for the video.
Thats a very impressive display, although its heavily loaded it doesn’t half shift along still doesn’t it? looked cool as a cucumber. Its a pity we couldn’t see what it can do with the same load at say, 40.000ft at supersonic speeds, sure it’ll be even more impressive.
Also, thanks for the article about the new helmet too. Once it gets the new radar with the swashplate it’s going to be one hell of a great bit of kit.
The Eurofighter may not go supersonic when carrying LGBs ~ Not the problem of fighter, but the problem of the LGB, which is not designed for supersonic flight.
toan>> However if you read his posts, how can you doubt that his favorite at the moment is Rafale…..
a:
In his previous post, he said that Rafale, F/A-18E/F, and Gripen NG are all the pieces of junk of the outdated 4th generation. Rafale is still the junk fighter with only better business offering in the FX-2 competition. The only correct way that Brazil should go is: F-5BM –> Su-35BM –> The revolutional and glorious 5th Gen. PAK-FA that can eat Eurofighter / Rafale / Gripen NG / F/A-18E/F as simple as eating a piece of cake.
In my opinion, I won’t say that Rafale is his favorite……:)
toanItaly becomes the first country of Eurofighter GmbH to give up Tranche 3B……
FARNBOROUGH, England, July 21 (UPI) — Italy shocked Europe’s military industry when it announced a major cut in the number of Eurofighter Typhoon jets it will order.
Italian Defense Minister Ignazio La Russa told reporters Tuesday at Farnborough Air Show in southern England that Rome would cut its planned purchase by 25 planes due to budget pressures.
He said the Italian air force, forced to spend less in a bid to rein in the national finances, would try to save $2.6 billion by buying 96, and not 121, models of the European multirole aircraft.
toanhttp://www.defpro.com/news/details/16917/
09:52 GMT, July 20, 2010 Hallbergmoos | An innovative cutting edge AESA radar system, reconfirms Eurofighter as the most advanced aircraft available on the market.
Eurofighter GmbH and Euroradar, together with their industrial partners, have begun full scale development of a latest generation Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar. The target in-service date for the new radar is 2015 to meet the requirements of Eurofighter Partner Nations and export customers.
Eurofighter CEO Enzo Casolini said of the decision “This is an important step in the Eurofighter programme and will ensure that Typhoon continues to lead the way as the world’s best new generation multi-role combat aircraft. In consultation with our Core Nation customers we can offer an AESA capability that far exceeds any other radar available. This capability will mean that Eurofighter is in the best possible position when offering Typhoon to the export market. The in-service date means we are perfectly positioned to respond to the complex and demanding requirements of the air forces”
toanTyphoon Partners Focus On Sensor Upgrade
Jul 19, 2010
By Douglas Barrie, Robert Wall
Munich, Berlin
1. The U.K. is particularly interested in pursuing the electronic attack (EA) capacity of AESA technology; at least some of the ARTS trials were intended to explore this. The Royal Air Force’s Alarm 2 missile is due to be withdrawn from service around 2013-14, and an EA capability would partly compensate for the shortfall.
2. The AESA concept being considered for the related projects uses a swash-plate design of the repositioner that moves the radar antenna to increase the field of regard to more than 90 deg. Fixed AESA arrays suffer from performance degradation at look angles of greater than ±60 deg. Options for addressing this deficiency include using adjunct arrays or moving the main array, though far more slowly than the snap rate of a traditional mechanically scanned array. Developers have had to revise the initial swashplate design as a result of a polarization issue with the identification-friend-or-foe system and the desire to keep its orientation constant. The repositioner first had only a single rotating joint, but has now shifted to a two-part joint structure.
3. The U.K. has requested that all Tranche 3A Typhoons be provisioned for the AESA, although the radar would be introduced as part of a retrofit. This means the aircraft is able to handle the power and cooling requirements, although the higher-power generators are not being built in at this point.
4. Eurofighter officials are bullish on the projected performance of the AESA, noting it will be more capable than many rivals. Typhoon’s radar will have twice as many T/R modules compared with the smaller Rafale radar, and will also be larger than the F-35’s while having more modern technology than the F-16’s and F-15’s radar, they assert. Flight trials of a preproduction version are slated for 2012.
5. The weight of the new antenna could shift the Typhoon’s center of gravity slightly forward, which will be offset with ballast in the aft fuselage. However, another industry official notes that adding thrust-vector control to the Eurojet EJ200 powerplant would be a more efficient way to tackle the issue.
6. The rolling-upgrade path will also likely be seen in how the AESA and weapons are introduced. The initial focus for the radar will be on air-to-air capabilities to support Meteor. About two years later, air-to-ground modes will follow to add Brimstone, Taurus and Storm Shadow ground-attack capabilities, notes a Eurofighter executive. An inverse synthetic aperture radar mode to fire anti-ship missiles would come in another step.
7. In the meantime, fighter production now tops 220 units; the U.K. is the largest operator, followed by Germany. More than 73 Tranche 2 aircraft have been delivered.
toanI’ve been researching the various fifth-generation programmes, and it strikes me as odd how aside from the possible exception of the PAK-FA there is no real competitor for the F-35 in the global fighter market. Which means from 2017 or so onwards the Eurofighter, Rafale and so on will be effectively shut out of the high-end fighter market.
A: Except France (with Mirage 2000 after 1986) and Sweden (with JAS-39 after 1993), such thing has already been happened to European aerospace industry during the 1980s and 1990s.
How can the European aerospace industry take this standing down? A few of them have a stake in the F-35 program but it means peanuts for them in terms of technology gain. Why aren’t France, Sweden, Germany or one of the other nations that haven’t signed up for the F-35 developing an alternative?
A:
Three words for your question: financial crisis + PIGGS.
The governments of UK, Germany, Italy, and France have already decided to cut 10~20% of their defense budgets in the next several years ~ So forget the possibility of any European NG fighter project before 2020s.
toani dont now why bother with “true stealth” in an modern AF, if you got 4 gen today. UCAV is the future is in my book 6 gen.
Think of the possiblies!no need for dead pilots
no need for resque operations
no need for pilot systems like ejectionseats OBogs, cocpit etc.
no need for 9g restriction
less weighthave i missed anything? probably loads of it.
A: An AI for UCAV that is clever, flexible, and reliable enough to replace the brain of a well-trained fighter pilot for doing every fighter’s job, is still nonexistent and unforeseeable ~ That’s the problem.
An updated “4 gen” is clearly a alternativ for F-35.
F-35 in my view overated for most missions.
A: One simple question ~ Which JSF foreign partener / customer has finally decided to give up JSF and chosen the updated “4th gen” as an alternative instead ??
An alternative with no customer’s support is not a real alternative. Even after so many troubles have happened, every JSF foreign parteners still decide to be stayed with the project means that the JSF foreign customers (airforces and navies) believe the capability of F-35 is very necessary for their future missions. That’s all.
toanLike it or not, F-35 will dominate the international fighter market, just as what has been achieved by F-16.
When the F-16 began to enter european and international fighter markets in the 1970s, the european manufacturers declared the FBW system and unstable aerodynamic design of F-16 as something immature and unsafe. And then ?? The F-16 slaughtered the safe and mature european competitors (Mirage F1 and Viggen) in almost the all international F-X competitions that F-16 had entered at that time, until the european manufacturers built their own new fighters (Mirage 2000 and JAS-39) with FBW system and unstable aerodynamic design.
Now once again, the european manufacturers declare the AESA radar and/or the 5th Gen stealthy design of F-35 as somthing “overestimated”, “unnecessary”, or “immature”……just like what they said to F-16 in 1970s. But in the end, I believe that F-35 will still repeat the victorious exporting history of F-16 once again.
toanAPG-77 det.range for a fighter size target is 180+nm( about or over 330km+), it doesnt say how big is that fighter target tho , is it 1, 3 or 5m2…
A: The APG-77 has been declared to be able to track a RCS = 1m2 target at the range of 200 km away.
ALR-94 picks up a radar emission at 250nm….
A: This data has been declared for a few years.
At 100+ nm the think can feed data to the radar so that APG-77 can use a very sharp ( narrow? ) beam to locate the target. I wonder if this is the infamous LPI ?….
A: Yes.
The biggest eyebrow raiser for me was that in 2004 aparently a Raptor experienced inadvertent heavy G force , which i quote ” exceeded the 7.3G exploitation limit” , which caused the aircraft to be severely stressed and to be grounded forever. So Raptor is rated only for 7.3G ???
A:
According to the declarations of Raptor’s pilots, the Raptor has been pulled up to 9.5 ~ 10.5G during the airshows and BFMs with F-15/F-16 in the past few years.
I think the 7.3G limit mentioned above may be:
1. The G-limit for supersonic maneuver without losing speed.
2. The fake official declaration (just like the USN’s public declaration for the maximal speed of MK48 torpedo: > 35kts) in order not to reveal the real capability of Raptor to the public.
3. The daily operating rule in order to keep a reasonable structural life for the super-expensive but little-produced F-22s.
toan* The primary customer for buying Meteor AAM: UK.
* The second confirmed customer: On December 23, 2009 the Spanish government has authorized the contract for the procurement of 100 Meteor missile and their corresponding support equipments.
* The third confirmed customer: France (200 missiles) in 2010.
* The fourth confirmed customer: Sweden in 2010.
* Germany may order around 480 Meteor AAMs at the time of 2011.
toanThis seems like a somewhat formal introduction to me.
This article mentioned that Sweden will introduce Meteor BVRAAM to replace AIM-120B at the time of 2015~2018, which should be later than the time (2013~2015) that Sweden formally integrate the productional Raven ES-05 AESA radar, a new generation light fighter’s radar which should have around 50% improvement in detective and tracking range comparing with the PS-05A today (or the radar that can really detect the RCS = 1m2 target at the range of 120 km away…..), onto Gripen NG (for exportation) and Gripen E/F (for self-requirement).
toanHave you ever wonder why gripen is the first integrator of Meteor? With your bad performance, this would not be a priority..
A:
1. The information you offered shows no evidence that the detective range of PS-05A today is better than 120 km for RCS = 5m2 target, not to mention the performance of 120 km for RCS = 1m2 target.
2. It shall be not surprising that the detective range for PS-05A could be quoted as “130-160 km” class without mentioning the RCS class of the target ~ The maximal detective range of APG-66 is also declared to be 148 km, but that is for the target with the RCS of traditional bomber size, not for typical fighter.
3. The main reason that FMV and SAAB integrate Meteor on Gripen is for missile test, not for formally introducing the Meteor right now.The capability of detecting RCS = 5m2 target at the range of 120 km away is good enough for missile test, but in order to use the capability and potential of Meteor as much as possible in the real combat, Sweden will integrate an AESA radar (Raven ES-05) on Gripen at first before formally introducing the Meteor, just like what French will do for their own Rafale.
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