Aircraft Illustrated, FEB, 2009
Rafale from the cockpit
Henri-Pierre Grolleau
1. The report of a flight-test of Rafale B301 in F3 standard before it has formally equipped AESA radar and Spectra EWS.
2. Configuration and weight of Rafale B301 during that flight-test:
a. Two 2,000 L fuel tanks with half-full fuel insides.
b. One wingtip mounted MICA IR training missile.
c. Total fuel loading: 5,980 kg of external and internal fuel.
d. Total external loading: more than 2 tonnes.
e. Take-off weight: 17,230 kg.
3. Taking-off: In the configuration mentioned above, the Rafale B301 could accelerate as fast as a clean Mirage 2000and lifting-off within 700 m runway.
4. Two types of FCS limits for maneuverability:
a. Air-combat configuration: +9G, 270 degs/sec role rate, and 29 degrees AoA.
b. Heavy-loading configuration: +5.5G, 150 degs/sec role rate, and 23 degrees AoA.
c. The limits mentioned above are soft limits which can be overriden in some conditions. For example, the pilot could pull up to +11G in the air combat configuration if necessary.
5. Automatic terrain-following: Rafale is cleared to fly down to 200 fts above ground, or 100 fts above sea, with the speed up to Mach 0.9 in TF mode.
6. The image of the HUD can be projected on a color LCD repeater for the rear-seat pilot.
7. FSO: it is able to track a targets like the size of Mirage 2000 at the distance of considerably more than 20 nm (37 km).
8. RBE-2 PESA radar: In the air-to-sea mode, it can detect ships in Mediterranean at the range considerably more than 100 nm (185 km).
Aircraft Illustrated, FEB, 2009
Rafale from the cockpit
Henri-Pierre Grolleau
1. The report of a flight-test of Rafale B301 in F3 standard before it has formally equipped AESA radar and Spectra EWS.
2. Configuration and weight of Rafale B301 during that flight-test:
a. Two 2,000 L fuel tanks with half-full fuel insides.
b. One wingtip mounted MICA IR training missile.
c. Total fuel loading: 5,980 kg of external and internal fuel.
d. Total external loading: more than 2 tonnes.
e. Take-off weight: 17,230 kg.
3. Taking-off: In the configuration mentioned above, the Rafale B301 could accelerate as fast as a clean Mirage 2000and lifting-off within 700 m runway.
4. Two types of FCS limits for maneuverability:
a. Air-combat configuration: +9G, 270 degs/sec role rate, and 29 degrees AoA.
b. Heavy-loading configuration: +5.5G, 150 degs/sec role rate, and 23 degrees AoA.
c. The limits mentioned above are soft limits which can be overriden in some conditions. For example, the pilot could pull up to +11G in the air combat configuration if necessary.
5. Automatic terrain-following: Rafale is cleared to fly down to 200 fts above ground, or 100 fts above sea, with the speed up to Mach 0.9 in TF mode.
6. The image of the HUD can be projected on a color LCD repeater for the rear-seat pilot.
7. FSO: it is able to track a targets like the size of Mirage 2000 at the distance of considerably more than 20 nm (37 km).
8. RBE-2 PESA radar: In the air-to-sea mode, it can detect ships in Mediterranean at the range considerably more than 100 nm (185 km).
1. AESA radar can significantly increase the detective / tracking range only when your fighter is big and heavy enough to carry a large antenna with enough number of T/R modules, and electrical and cooling systems with enough power.
2. AESA radar’s logistical cost and repair time should be much lower comparing with a traditional radar. However, its procuring cost is much higher than a traditional one.
3. AESA radar with a fixed anthenna has a much more fast scan rate comparing with a traditional radar. But the cost is that its horizontal scan angle is reduced.
4. AESA radar is usually significantly heavier than a traditional radar it replaced, which may be a problem for some fighters that are not big enough.
1. AESA radar can significantly increase the detective / tracking range only when your fighter is big and heavy enough to carry a large antenna with enough number of T/R modules, and electrical and cooling systems with enough power.
2. AESA radar’s logistical cost and repair time should be much lower comparing with a traditional radar. However, its procuring cost is much higher than a traditional one.
3. AESA radar with a fixed anthenna has a much more fast scan rate comparing with a traditional radar. But the cost is that its horizontal scan angle is reduced.
4. AESA radar is usually significantly heavier than a traditional radar it replaced, which may be a problem for some fighters that are not big enough.
even if we were to take your values, the MiG-35 is still really close to the weight of the F-15
Well, it seems that the empty weight of F-15C today has become heavier than the data that I mentioned above….
http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=101
F-15 EAGLE
Power plant: Two Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-100, 220 or 229 turbofan engines with afterburners
Thrust: (C/D models) 23,450 pounds each engine
Wingspan: 42.8 feet (13 meters)
Length: 63.8 feet (19.44 meters)
Height: 18.5 feet (5.6 meters)
Weight: 31,700 pounds
Maximum takeoff weight: (C/D models) 68,000 pounds (30,844 kilograms)
Fuel Capacity: 36,200 pounds (three external plus conformal fuel tanks)
31,700 Ib = 14,379 kg
aviapedia, however if we even went to MiG’s site on migavia.ru,
it lists the MiG-29K as having a “normal” take off weight of 18550kg.now normal can mean a lot of things, but lets say the normal take off weight includes the maximum of 4 Kh-31s, 2 RVV-AE, and 2 R-73
these ordinances alone are 600kgx4, 226×2, and 105×2 respectively, meaning the ordinance are slightly under 3000kg.. meaning with out them, a empty weight is still over 15,000kg.thats probably not a normal take off weight, but even if you added fuel tanks it’lll still be over 12,500kg.
these new MiG models are certainly F-15C class in weight and size.
The normal take-off weight should include the fighter’s internal fuel, and for the members of Fulcrum family, the amount of internal fuel they can carry is from 4,540 L / 3,632 kg (MIG-29C) to 6,250 L / 5,000 kg (MIG-29M) .
Empty weight of world fighters:
1. Light fighters:
LCA: 5,500 –> 6,500 kg (?)
T-50: 6,350 kg
JF-17: 6,450 kg
F-CK-1: 6,492 kg
Gripen C: 6,800 kg
F-16A/B MLU: 7,400 kg
Mirage 2000: 7,400 kg
2. Medium fighters:
F-16 C/D Block52: 8,710 kg
F-2A/B: 9,500 kg
F-16 E: 9,980 kg
Rafale: 9,500 ~ 10,710 kg
F/A-18C: 10,850 kg
Mig-29: 10,900 kg
Eurofighter: 11,150 kg
Mig-35: 12,000 kg
3. Heavy fighters
F-15C/D: 12,973 ~ 13,270 kg
Tornado GR4: 13,890 kg
F/A-18E: 13,865 ~ 14,288 kg
Tornado F3: 14,500 kg
F-15E: 14,515 ~ 16,556 kg
Su-27/30/35/37: 16,400 kg ~ 18,400 kg
F-22A: 19,660 kg
MIG-31: 21,820 kg
Su-34: 22,500 kg
It is SAAB that has tried to offer 36 Gripen NG to Brazil Airforce. However, Brazil AF won’t make the final decision until the end of 2009.
The main four potential enemies that Japan are facing in Asia are Russia, Mainland China, Northern Korea, and Southern Korea. Three of them have plans for developing and procuring the 5th Gen fighters such as PAK-FA/T-50, J-XX, KFX, F-35 and so on.
So the main question is very simple: if Japan decides to purchase Upgrading Eurofighter as the main air-defense fighter for next 20-25 years, will it have enough capability or future upgrading potential to handle the threats like these with an acceptable exchange ratio after 2015 ~ 2020 ??
I wonder what the wast superiority by F-22 can be attributed to:
1) All aspect stealth ?
2) Superior kinematics ?
A:
1. Better and All aspect stealthy performance compared with JSF’s relatively cheap, simple, and easy-for-maintaining stealthy techonology.
2. Much, much, more superior high speed supersonic cruise, acceleration, maneuverability, agility, and durability which can significantly increase the effective range/NEZ of F-22A’s missile and dramatically decrease the effective range/NEZ of enemy’s AAMs and SAMs.
3. Advantage of high altitude (50,000 to 65,000 fts+) occupation capability ~ another important factor for increasing the effective range/NEZ of F-22A’s missile and dramatically decrease the effective range/NEZ of enemy’s AAMs and SAMs.
4. And perhaps most important of all, it’s the advertisement for persuading Pentagon / US government to produce more F-22A ~ Giving F-35A a combat exchange ratio of Vietnam war performance and F-22A a combat exchange ratio which is three times better than the Korean war performance is a reasonable tactic:D
According to an article of the newest AWST, in order to acquire the support for producing more F-22A, USAF has revealed some previously classified information of Raptor recently:
1. Raptor’s supercruise capability: up to 1.78 Mach.
2. Raptor’s operational altitude: more than 50,000 fts with military power, or more than 65,000 fts with A/B thrust.
3. Raptor’s acceleration: 3.05 secs quicker than the contract requirement (54 secs).
4. Raptor’s minimal RCS: -40 dBsm class.
5. Raptor’s APG-77 radar:
a. The air-to-air detective range is about 5% better than the contract requirement, or at least two times longer than the standard military radar today (APG-63 ??).
b. The estimated effective range for electronic attack: more than 150 mile (240 km).
6. The LM/USAF’s computerized stimulated exchange ratio between different American fighters and an unknown advanced enemy fighter today (EF-2000??, Su-35??, Su-30??):
a. F-22A: 30:1
b. F-35A: 3:1
c. F-15/16/18: equal or less than 1:1
According to an article of the newest AWST, in order to acquire the support for producing more F-22A, USAF has revealed some previously classified information of Raptor recently:
1. Raptor’s supercruise capability: up to 1.78 Mach.
2. Raptor’s operational altitude: more than 50,000 fts with military power, or more than 65,000 fts with A/B thrust.
3. Raptor’s acceleration: 3.05 secs quicker than the contract requirement (54 secs).
4. Raptor’s minimal RCS: -40 dBsm class.
5. Raptor’s APG-77 radar:
a. The air-to-air detective range is about 5% better than the contract requirement, or at least two times longer than the standard military radar today (APG-63 ??).
b. The estimated effective range for electronic attack: more than 150 mile (240 km).
6. The LM/USAF’s computerized stimulated exchange ratio between different American fighters and an unknown advanced enemy fighter today (EF-2000??, Su-35??, Su-30??):
a. F-22A: 30:1
b. F-35A: 3:1
c. F-15/16/18: equal or less than 1:1
RuAF maintains USAF-class number of airplane with the RAF-class budget. What else result can you anticipate ??
ADA to equip Light Combat Aircraft with more powerful engines
http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Feb62009/national20090206116934.asp?section=updatenews
ADA to equip Light Combat Aircraft with more powerful engines
With DRDO still looking for partners to develop the indigenous fighter aircraft engine ‘Kaveri’, Aeronautical Development Agency has decided to equip the Light Combat Aircraft Mark II version with more powerful engines after procuring them from global manufacturers.
“We are looking to procure either the GE-414 from US or European consortium Eurojet’s EJ 200 to fly with the LCA Mk II version,” Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) Director P Subrahmanyam said here.
LCA’s Mk II version is expected to join the IAF in 2014 after the initial two squadrons in Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) configuration are inducted.
“Request for Proposals (RFP) is just about to go out and very soon it would be floated,” the ADA Director said. The present GE 404-IN 20 engine, he said, was the interim solution as a power-plant for the LCA.
“Since the beginning, we knew that the present engine would be the interim solution as it is adequate for the IOC aircraft. We are looking to get the higher derivatives of GE-414 or EJ-200,” he said, adding “we told them (GE and Eurojet) that whatever you have on your drawing boards, we will go ahead with that”.
DRDO is hoping to deliver the aircraft to the IAF in IOC configuration by December 2010. IAF will have seven squadrons of the indigenous aircraft of which the first two would be in IOC configuration and the rest would be the Mk II versions.
Ok, nice info, thanks, still the inlets is modified for gripen, so…maybe..:)
The late F-16C/D with 28,000-29,100 Ib engine also got a modification to their air-intake, but there is still no obvious change for the maximal speed of them at high altitude.
If the designers of Gripen NG really want to significantly increase its maximal speed at high altitude, they will have to redesign a completely new adjustable air-intake like the one used by Eagle or Mirage, which shall be complex, heavy, expensive, and, perhaps the most important of all, not good for fighter’s RCS. I don’t think SAAB would like to sacrifice so many things just for increasing Gripen’s maximal speed, which is almost useless in the real combat.