If they’re happy with a ground shot they can have mine from the same spot!

I’m going to throw the cat among the pigeons by simply saying,as I have before,this is a site for aviation enthusiasts who want to be with aircraft,not photographers who are seeking plaudits for their skills and that is where the difference between the two conflicting views in this thread really lies.
If you only take the shots for the satisfaction of having a record to look back on,then you don’t have this problem.
In fairness to Paul,I’d reject a comparison with music,which calls for a creative talent and involves something which is unique to the musician……..anyone can stand by a runway and take a shot of a plane.
Indeed, I have an exactly identical shot of an Olympic 320 on Friday at Geneva to the one which appears on the current homepage of the enthusiasts site for Geneva……..I assume one of the 8 local spotters standing nearby took it.
Barry
What a disaster!
What I have struggled to understand,like Skymonster I suspect,is why this forum and it’s associated magazine have almost grovelled for this guy’s approval and why comments that are accepted (not necessarily by me,I must add) as fair game for other airline CEO’s,were outlawed for him.
There seems almost to have been a craving for a “youngster” to make good.
Terribly sorry for all those who are the losers in all this
Barry
Just for the record,it’s certainly not the first pic on this forum.Pixel Pete had one in among his post in the Images forum a day or two ago along with BA’s first E190.
As Grey Area says,very interesting post.
If we read what information is in the public domain,the aircraft provider is making it pretty clear the dispute is over money and that,worse,it had been going on for days which is incredible as the lifespan was only a week.
Whatever the “management” has it is clearly not money.That is where all the others mentioned (MO’L,Adult Branson,and The Greek) score.They either had a father who owned half the Eastern Mediterranean,or had track records in other businesses which left queues forming to back them.
I’m no expert but would have guessed you’d need upwards of half a million in hard cash to launch even a small outfit,even with a leased a/c.
Barry
No,it’s not just a coincidence…..are you suggesting I made the information up?
They were two arms of the same airline just like Easyjet and Easyjet Switzerland but the one arm was rescued by local Spanish interests.There was also an Italian subsidiary which survived,but collapsed in recent years.
The Spanish airline was formed as Air Espana in 1984 and joined the ILG group in 1986 operating it’s first flight as Air Europa from Gatwick to Tenerife on 21/11/86.
It was licensed to operate domestic flights in 1993,and international in 1995,both after the demise of the ILG Group in 1991,and still does so,possibly being Spain’s second largest airline?
Air Europe Italy Spa.was actually created from scratch by the British parents in June 1989 (a minority share owned by Fiat!) – f/f 19/12/89
This airline also had the same scheme but changed it after being rescued from the same collapse,but has gone within the last year or so.
The same happened much more recently with XL…..the French and German parts were rescued and certainly the German arm have retained the exact scheme….saw one at Dusseldorf just before xmas
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc126/bazza24_bucket/IMG_0763.jpg
Barry
Si’s links are indeed accurate in as far as they go but they rather play down the fact that they were identical liveries apart from the “a” on the end of the name,because they were part of the Air Europe (ILG) group.When the parent co went bust in the early nineties,the Spanish arm was rescued by Spanish backers buying it out of the group.Their livery was later modified to what you see (or in your case,don’t!) today
They’ve really re-invented themselves as a lo-cost with a large domestic network in Spain in recent years and the reason you rarely see them in the UK is the same as why you see so few other EEC charter or lo-cos in relative terms – that is,the UK market has been captured by our own very successful holiday airlines and the likes of EZY and FR et al.
Could you be thinking of Air Comet as the large-ish Spanish one that recently collapsed?
Barry
JoeyR
How can flying in an IL18 and ending up in the fabulous heartland of the industrial revolution instead of London be anything other than comparable to a dream carpet to paradise?
I may have had to move to Bristol years ago with my job but I’m a real patriotic Brummie.
Shame on you!!!:)
Bmused55
I think the picture showing,as you so rightly say T4,shows it still fenced off and not opened.I don’t think “The Row” was that much less crowded even then as there were only 3 terminals and,of all airports.it probably reached near capacity years ago and expansion since has therefore been restricted.I’d hazard a guess that arrivals per hour isn’t that much different now.
Happy days….
Barry
The only thing I can tell you is it was claimed the unreliability of the lifts,leading to down time and cancellations was a major factor in the adverse publicity about,and subsequent collapse,of Court Line in 1974 and I seem to recall some operators used stairs instead most of the time.
Barry
Whether you’ve flown on one or not the Ilyushin 18 is the best.Anything without props isn’t a serious contender anyway.
Prejudice,or what?!!
Barry
Best?Anything red like Avianca but I’ve always loved Evergreen Intl
Worst (and least appropriate for a serious scheduled carrier) S7 Airlines
Barry
To give a sensible answer to something like this I’d have to consider whether the plus points or the minus ones were actually in the airline’s control.It’s no good blaming the airline if there’s a weather delay or suchlike.
On this basis the two best in recent times were Cathay and South African.
BTW,I think Emirates are overrated and their hub is a nightmare
Worst?….Like Josh,I don’t really have silly expectations and have never really had a flight in over 400 I’d have seen fit to complain about,but the only airline to twice in one year (2009) take money off me and then totally screw up a trip by altering flight times (to the point of needing extra hotel nights) was…………Flybe!!
Barry
I think they’re called something like ASI (Aircraft Spares International).I’m not an expert on the airfield but would have thought as the Bristol Aircraft collection with it’s museum is there a quick call to them and they’d surely confim the name as it’s nearly adjacent to them.
Barry
Hi Paul
Quite an interesting idea!
For me it started with a different hobby……train spotting in about 1955 which had a different “image” back then.Virtually nobody could afford a camera and it was all about collecting numbers…..preferably ones your mates hadn’t seen and were jealous of!
Got into aircraft for a few years around 1960/62 then interest waned ’til my first flight in 1969 on a Bristol Britannia
Around 1980 I felt I could not “spot” every aircraft and that I’d rather get a photographic record of what I COULD see.It’s still the “collecting” thing to me though.A camera is rather like a spade i.e. you don’t need one if you haven’t a garden.In my case I wouldn’t have an interest in photography if I weren’t ‘graphing a/c and it’s still about the buzz of competing for the unexpected catch to tell others about.
I’m not really interested in photographing the mundane over and over again or in looking at other’s results in that category.
I do lots of trips,previously with very poor film equipment but post-digital with Canon 400d’s and decent lenses…also Leica and Panasonic “bridge” cameras and am experimenting with used Pentax DSLRs.The mission is to “cop” the unexpected and it’s more often than not in vain.
Here are but 2 exceptions and one (the Yak) is one of my favourite pictures regardless of the subject a/c.
Yak was very unexpected at Bergamo in 2007 and was gobsmacked to see a 707 (last time I saw one fly) at Salzburg in the same year


Best regards to all
Barry