Tempest414Fixed wing:
fighter 50 x Mitsubishi F-15J
fighter 10 x Mitsubishi F-15DJ
fighter 30 x Mitsubishi F-2
fighter 10 x AIDC F-CK-1C
multirole 30 x HAL Tejas
ground attack 30 x KAI A-50
ground attack 20 x IPTN AC-235 gunshiptrainer 15 x SME Aero Tiga
trainer 15 x Kawasaki T-2
trainer 15 x HAL HJT-36 Sitaratransport 40 x Kawasaki T-2
transport 60 x IPTN CN-235
transport 30 x NAL Saras
transport VIP 5 x Honda Jetpatrol / asw 30 x Kawasaki P-1
patrol / asw 50 x IPTN CN-235 MPA
EW operations 14 x Kawasaki EC-1
long range SAR 18 x Shin Meiwa US-2experimental 1 x Mitsubishi X-2 Shinshin
Helicopters:
attack 50 x HAL Light Combat Helicopter
light attack 40 x HAL Rudra
observation 30 x Kawasaki OH-1
transport 60 x KAI KUH-1 Surion
transport 80 x HAL Dhruv
transport VIP 10x Mitsubishi MH2000
asw 30 x Mitsubishi SH-60K
sar 30 x Dhruv (CFW)
Dame forgot a VIP airliner
Tempest414Looks alright, but missing AWACS.
No I could not find anything that would fit. however thinking about it a good fit maybe a CN-235 fitted with Erieye or other radar one type doing 3 jobs keeping logistic cost down
Tempest414First trainers
30 PAC MFI-17 2 Squadrons
20 KA-1 1 Squadron
20 twin trainers 1 Squadron
15 Helicopters 1 Squadron
Combat aircraft
150 JF-17 120 single 30 two seat 8 Squadrons 1 OCU
60 FC-31 3 Squadrons 1 OCU
Transport aircraft
8 C-2 1 Squadron ( with palleted refuelling system)
16 CN-235-100M 1 Squadron
MPA
16 CN-235 MPA 1 Squadron
Helicopters
40 Surion 2 Squadron 1 OCU
Air force Regiment 6 Squadrons
Tempest414UK P-8 will be in effect USN standard albeit with a few extra black boxes so they can communicate with UK specific comms systems.
So they will be fitted with a boom receptacle as standard.
Sorry I meant refuelling probe has to cheaper than fitting booms to our A330’s
Tempest414Now to lever from Jonesy’s post the lack of availability of support types like E-2’s or S-3’s….is less of a concern for some very interesting reasons.
Comparing to 1982 and Corporate where the UK carrier task force had no Organic AEW and no tanker support. The Sea Harrier had a primitive even for the day ranging radar intended to be used providing a targeting solution against something large like a Tu-142 Bear not a fighter size target. CAP in 1982 relied GCi from the fleet, the radars available to the fleet until Exeter arrived were in effect 1960’s technology and woefully inadequate for the task.
Now compare that to what will be available when the QE class are fully stood up, all ships in the fleet have capable modern radars that can share a data picture. We have an Organic AEW capability that can share its data picture. The F-35B has a bleeding edge AESA radar and EOTS that can share its data picture as well. An F-35B CAP operating from the QE class is not just being responsive to GCI from the fleet, whilst on patrol it can be enhancing the data picture for the fleet acting as an AEW platform tangentially in its own right. Now add in curious and interesting force enablers like the Lynx Wildcat that has Air to Air tracking modes for its AESA and can also share its data picture making it yet another platform that can add information to the Air Warfare commander by plugging gaps.
This is what is so overlooked in F-35 discussions when people get bogged down over instantaneous turn rates, the biggest boon it will offer is its huge data gathering and processing capabilities.
Another thing to consider is the Voyager tanker, operating from a friendly base Voyager can support carrier operations from a huge distance.
Pity we can’t find a reason for UOR to get the boom on Voyager to support the P-8 as well….
As the UK P-8’s have not been built yet should we be looking in to fitting booms to them
Tempest414As Sintra said, there is no threat at the moment. Argentina has no operational aircraft able to attack the Falklands. Its navy is in such a sad state that one of its two Type 42s sank at its mooring in 2013 due to lack of maintenance, & there’s no sign that things have improved since then. Its warships are reported to mostly be ineffective due to their ordnance being time-expired, rarely put to sea because of lack of maintenance & fuel, & the few that do sail are reckoned to rely on spares cannibalised from others. With the lack of sea time & ammunition, the state of training can be imagined.
Thank you Swerve all of the above I already knew as we all talked about this in a 2015 thread. however Buitreaux has pointed out that the defence buget has gone up from 0.4 to 0.95 of GDP and plans to go up to 2.2 of GDP in 2019. We know that they have projects in the pipe line in form of 80m OPV and the Pucara – C-130 & Huey upgrades which with the new money have some hope of being pushed though. My point has been that with the extra money a new Fighter could be a real possibility by 2020 and I know if they did get a new fighter in 2020/25 it will not be up to full ops until 2025/30 but by managing any threat allowing limited package sale if needed.
Tempest414Don’t assume that a few new fighter jets for the Argentine FAA will lead to the UK boosting the number of Typhoon at Mount Pleasant. The UK MOD does a fairly complex threat assessment for the Falklands taking on a number of factors. Argentina lacks the ability to conduct a long distance amphibious assault operation, they just don’t have all the enabling technologies from Amphibious assault ships through to force enablers and area denial systems like working Submarines to pull it off. The spending and training required will be highly noticeable to the UK.
The current four Typhoon are adequate to maintain QRA even if Argentina got some shiny new fighter jets. The Falklands are getting an air defence boost anyway with new C4i systems and CAMM-L. CAMM-L has a moderate area defence capability vs the current point defence offered by Rapier.
My point is more that if we the UK was to allow a deal of 12 Gripen’s with a limited weapons package we can limit the threat
Tempest414Still have a significant British content & would require UK approval, which is not exactly likely. And why would a need to spend more on defending the Falklands be a good thing?
I know the UK is unlikely to approve Gipen to the FAA. However by allowing limited air-frames and weapons packages to the FAA we could lower threat and cost. any deal done would have to see SAAB/ British companies would have to cover the part cost of 2 extra Typhoons. I think we would see extra Typhoons at MPA with no cost reduction if the FAA was to change its mind set and invest in 12-20 Mig-29 SU-30 JF17 J-10 with full weapons packages
Tempest414Before someone is doing any claim about a fighter for Argentina. What is the main task and what is the related threat?
For the FAA any new fighter will have to under take air policing – recon – CAS – and now maybe anti-shipping
Tempest414I know we all say that Gripen is off the table however maybe 12 Gripen C/D’s with limited weapons package could be a good thing all round. UK could move in 2 to 4 more Trench 1 Typhoon’s to MPA
Tempest414It isn’t. We haven’t got a frontline weapons system since 1987, some 30 years in the making. Even the more than capable FightngHawk system was trunkated by the cancelation of the Peace Pumas in 1999. Still, as any nation we do need to look at the rol of the miiltary, and the Fuerza Aerea Argentina and the Aviacion Naval are a integral part of the future. As such, the do need to be reequiped, with coherent systems.
Too many unknowns. The MINDEF will go for proven techs only.
It is. Continental Argentina has a land area that is 5 times that of metropolitan France, or 12 times the UK. By the way, do you seriously think the soviets would cave into pressure by the UK?
Hell will freeze before we ever see Mirages again. Nada de espejismos.
Anytime.
The damage of 15 years of leftist, revenchist, corrupt politics is hard to believe, and hard to reverse, but they seem to have started getting some results. Keep in mind that even though we are in month 15 of the Macri administration, it is only month 2 with a Macri proposed budget.
Add 1x L-100 (firefighter), 4x Shaldags and a whole lot of jewish tech from our good friends, including 72x upgraded TAM-2C tanks. I am not sure about the Pucara MLUs.
It’s 24x T6-C+ Texans IIs with 12x options (a U$D 300 million price). The first batch of 12 is whats has been readly approved. As for the Pampa reburbished and newbuilds, 4 are expect by the years end, and a rate of 1 every month afterwards, reaching a total of 40 units. They will work alongside the Texans.
We are there already! For the past 8 years or so, there has never been more than 8 FightingHawks mission ready. Sometimes, just 3. The Kirchners were a mess in so many ways. Funny thing is that those A4-AR do have good avionics, and a fair amount of remaining hours. The fleet could be around 25 fighters, but I doubt we can crew more than 16 in total. It will be up to the budget for this ones.
It is. No decision will be made in 2017 regarding fighters though, or so did the secretary commented. We realy don’t know.
Ground radar, we’ve got it. As for the rest, you are right.
It is. The defence ministery evaluated a bunch of competitors, and selected the ARX-200 and PX4 Storm. The contract calls for 8.000 italian made rifles, and 92.000 (+ options obviously) to be made in Argentina for a total of 100.000 and 120.000 units each. I haven’t read the contract so I can’t tell how many options.
KC-130T 162785 KC-130R 160626 KC-130F 148891 KC-130F 150689 have been tagged, along with other things.
What is it about Mirage F1 to old or French? or would the air force look at M2K if some came along
Tempest414First civvie to supercruise in the Gripen is what I was told … This was in 2011 … Have written about it extensively as well … Happy to be proven wrong. Cheers.
http://saabgroup.com/Media/news-press/news/2011-01/As-close-to-top-gun-as-I-could-possible-get/
thanks for being clear love the pics and the ones in Tejas luck man happy flying
Tempest414I still think they should have looked harder at Mirage F1’s as a stop gap and if they could find 12 to 16 good ones they still should as it keeps pace with other types in the region for the next 10 to 15 years
Tempest414Some great shots thanks. How ever many civvies have super cruised going way back as the Lightening’s and many more could and did with civvies on joy rides and promos
Tempest414They should hang an R3350 on the front
Take your self off to the naughty step and stay there for 20 mins. R3350 tut tut
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