Here’s another question. Is it conceivable fighter pilots on either side ever smoked a cigarette whilst in the cockpit?
Difficult to say absolute NO. On operations I would never the less say absoulute NO. Just think about oxygen in a mask and fire from a fag stub. Will deffinately mess up your hair do:eek:
On low level transit flights, maybe, but I doubt it.
All pictures of cigar equipped Galland, for example, are ground shots and probably staged.
Sometimes I feel stupid, other times I feel REALLY stupid 😉
To my defence I must say I tried to google 😀 Apparently using the wrong search words 😉
Propstrike,
WOW. FIVE minutes. One of the fastest responses I´ve ever seen ;):D:D
Thank you so much. Now I can tell the co-pilot of Marvellous Miriam where his aircraft is located. I´m sure he will go over there and pat her!
And the video
http://www.youtube.com/user/bobrussellairshows#p/u/0/i7OFrZpqFGQ
The second Butcher Bird to fly in less than a year. Can only be a good thing:D
I´ve nothing to add to the question about landing attitude of these beasts, but here is what I found with a quick search of youtube. Pan Am Clippers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Waf72ajvY
As one who has some “British Krap” in my hangar, I nearly burst my sides laughing at this comment by mjr on another thread. This is THE sound of historic aviation in my view :eek::D:D
*!!@*!ing piece of *!!!t, *****!!*le British krap!!!!*, arghhh, just go in the efin hole for gauds sake!!!”
(Snip snip …………………..)
sometimes I wonder why we torture ourselves…
Taken from this thread:
http://forum.keypublishing.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1527408
It is a Miles M.65 Gemini.
Pagen,
The wingtips in the photo you post of the beech are not the original wingtips. Original Beech wingtips were very rounded, the square ones are an aftermarket mod introduced after the war to try and tame the stall behavior of the aircraft.
Regarding the Messenger theories floating around, the wing might pass off as a Messenger wing, but the stab is too staight, the leading edge of the stab on the Messenger is swept back.
All things considered, I´d go with the Junkers (only because I don´t know anybetter!).
TF-HGS Ae.57 (G-AHGS) Proctor 5 R Iceland (substantial remains)
TF-VIB K.242 Proctor 1 (G-AHVH) R Reykjavik, Iceland (Part fuselage, centre section and one wing)
Not quite right! Whatever remains of TF-HGS will fit in a bucket – mostly metal fittings. Of TF-VIB only the one wing and (possibly) a part of a centre section remains. The fuselage was consumed by fire in the early 50´s
OK guys, thank you for spending some time on this. I agree that this does indeed look like a Hudson and it was good to get that independently verified from you! :eagerness:
Since that is out of the way, I´ll give you my hypothesis on what we are seeing, bearing in mind that this is only educated guess work on my behalf!
On the 27th of March 1945 Hudson serial FK743 of 251 squadron Coastal Command was on its way back to Reykjavik after a weather recce when it crashed into a mountain side in Southwestern Iceland – killing all four crew members. The aircraft was found by the RAF and the bodies taken for burial, but the aircraft was left where it had crashed. The aircraft was not heavily damaged and there was no fire – the front of the fuselage had taken the worst of the hit and was badly mangled, but the rest of the aircraft looked undamaged. Eyewitnesses that went to the wreck the next summer said it was kind of eery seeing what appeared to be an almost complete aircraft sticking out of the side of a mountain.
In 1993 I visited the crash site and both engines were there, absolutely unbroken, so it kind of supports the eyewitness account about the aircraft being relatively undamaged.
The aircraft was left at its crash site for some years – the place was isolated and few people ventured there. At some point, the wreck slid part of the way down the slope. At some point after 1950 (I´ve been told in 1951-1953) the prices for scrap metal got really high in Iceland, and the local entrepreneurs started viewing the WWII wrecks with increased interest. This one was relatively close to Reykjavik and though not easy to get at, it was possible. I´d been told that they went to collect the wreck in winter by driving trucks and 4×4 (jeeps) on the snow. When they got to the wreck, the method of disassembly was to blow it apart with dynamite and then collect up the pieces.
When I first saw these pictures, I was astonished! The only thing I was not sure about, was if this was the aircraft I had in mind. That´s why I posted these pictures here, to confirm the aircraft type. FK743 was the ONLY Coast Command Hudson in the late war livery to crash in an area similar to what is seen in the pictures. So if the aircraft can be positively identified as a Hudson – then we know which one it was.
I hope all of this makes sense.
Regards,
Sigurjon
Sýna burt
(and if that translates as can I tickle you bum with my genitals? I am suing google):)
You can sue Google!! 😉
Show off can be better translated as “Montrassgat” – but please do not put that into Google translate as it might not show you the correct translation!:eek:;)
Greetings,
Another Icelander.
Ohhh and welcome back The Banned Three
Well done.
Anyone looked up the entry for U571?
Moggy 😉
I did and I could´t find anything wrong with it! 😮 Am I missing something very obvious here?
It was, however, U570 that was captured off Iceland with the some of the Enigma machine/codes being captured as well. The Wiki page for U570 is correct in as much as I can ascertain – do you know about something wrong with it?
Regards,
SV
According to the guys over on Air-Britain it was c/n21348 registered as XB-MNP for the test with previous reg quoted as N293AS.
I can only echo what Sq/L said.
One thing though, and I admit to not knowing my prewar gliders, is the Petrel in anyway related to the German Göppingen Minimoa?? They seem to have similar lines.
This is just a thought but what happend to the single engined monoplane floatplanes which Iceland recieved shortly before the war , did any end up in the UK , I think they were Northrops ?
Iceland only had one aircraft, a Waco YKS-7, when war broke out. Any suggestion that a civil Icelandic aircraft could have been used on clandestine flights to Norway is a pure fantasy.
Single engine monoplane floatplanes in Iceland were the Northrop N-3PB of 330 squadron (Norwegian) of RAF Coastal Command.