Let’s see far better aerodynamics than the Typhoon or any other 4.5 Generation Fighter. Plus, greater power………Yet, according to your logic its going to be a Dog!:eek:

Interested in a slightly used Bridges????

Not to mention when fully loaded, a greater war load.

Dear sir,

But you would say such things about the Su-27. Why cant people say the F-22 will beat a Typhoon? or the F-35? Do you believe a Typhoon can beat a Su-27 or Mig-29?

Dear sir,

You just said yourself Meteor is being Funded by the U.K. If the meteor is expected to enter service when the F-35 enters U.K. service. then you can expect the F-35 to have Meteor.

Further more DIRCM is not a flare but a directional laser.

Meteor is an active radar guided beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) being developed by MBDA. It is to equip the Eurofighter Typhoons of the UK’s Royal Air Force (RAF), Germany’s Luftwaffe, Spain’s Ejército del Aire and Italy’s Aeronautica Militare Italiana, the F-35 of the British Royal Navy, the Dassault Rafales of France’s Armée de l’Air and the Saab JAS 39 Gripens of Sweden’s Flygvapnet.

When it enters service with the RAF in 2015, Meteor will offer a multi-shot capability against long range manoeuvring targets in a heavy electronic countermeasures (ECM) environment. According to MBDA, Meteor has three to six times the kinematic performance of current air-air missiles of its type. The key to Meteor’s outstanding performance is throttle able ducted rocket (ramjet) manufactured by Bayern-Chemie (BC) of Germany.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBDA_Meteor

Unless your assuming they are paying for it but wont field it on the F-35C.
Further more its only Logical to put 2 and 2 together. If I’m talking about the Meteor, and the Uk will be the one of the only F-35 customers to use it Then odiously the F-35+ meteor wont arrive until The F-35s for the U.K. are built.
Please Use your powers of deduction.

Quote…… from here

Many wrongly believe that the Su-27+ cannot perform all maneovres in combat load. To counter such talk designer Mikhail Simonov, at the 1994 Farnborough airshow, sanctioned a Su-30MK to perform the airshow routine with ordnance on all 12 pylons – a total of 7000 kg!! It did a complete fighter-like routine with this asymmetric load – including a tail slide!!.

Mikhail Simonov was stung by press criticism that this machine was appearing at airshows doing tailslides and Cobras without any underwing stores. So it was promptly fitted with a representative warload consisting of (from port wingtip) – AA-11, AA-11, AA-10, Kh-31P, 6 x OFAB-100-120 bombs on a MER fitted to the port lower intake, KAB-500KR on centreline pylon, Kh-29T on lower Stbd intake, Kh-59M, RVV-AE, AA-11, AA-11 and still did its full show routine!

IIRC, at a press conference at the same show, Simonov offered to display the Su-30MK at any test instrumented facility anywhere in the world to show off its maneouvreability.

Of course it was a great PR stunt, and of course there were no takers……:rolleyes:

The Su-30MK (bort 603) was without canards and TVC – and was developed into the IAF Su-30MKI.

Ken

Dear sir,

Touche, I stand corrected. can it also make coffee while doing all of this?

Directional Infrared Counter Measures (DIRCM) is a system produced by Northrop Grumman, ITT Corporation and BAE Systems to protect aircraft from infrared homing (“heat seeking”) man-portable missiles. It is a lightweight, compact system designed to provide mission vulnerable aircraft with increased protection from common battlefield threats. It is more advanced than conventional infrared countermeasures.

The term DIRCM is used as a generic term to describe any infrared counter measure system that tracks and directs energy toward the

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directional_Infrared_Counter_Measures

@EELightning

I’d say that every company shows the tendences to promote their products in a bit amusing way – but looking at the PR stunts LM have made in the past decade I must say that they were meant for a not very intelligent, but very egocentric target audience..

From what I have seen, US audience is solely concentrated on the “we are the best” detail – the arguments don’t have to be logical, they can be even contradictory as long as they still support this idea. The idea of supremacy is assumed automatically without any evidence and only very severe arguments would be able to disprove that.. That leads to quite absurd situations where US fans not only have to have the F-22 as the most advanced air superiority fighter in existence (which would be still quite logical to expect), they also need to have the F-35 in the same category – an aircraft that was never meant, nor designed for that..

In order to satisfy this obsession, LM regularly sends out Beesley to talk about F-35’s A-A capabilities on the camera – they devote immense effort to persuade an average American that the world he knew – where US stuff was the most advanced and greatest of all time – still existed. Only this is called “money well spent” in the US and average US Joe can happily open another bottle of Bud.

Another thing I have noticed is that the US target audience was what I called “self-explanatory”. If they are injected with the “the greatest of all time” notion, they are quite inventive in persuading themselves by self-invented arguments supporting that. So far the most amusing and contradictory way I have seen are claims about

– how the F-22 enjoys kinematic advantage over Eurocanards by its M1.7 SC capability which alone grants the Raptor a safe kill
and at the same time
– how the kinematic advantage of the Eurocanads plays no role against the arguably slow and lazy F-35 because fights over M1.2 never occur, anyway.

If you visit some F-22 and F-35 threads, you will find the very same people claim both and never give a second thought about it 🙂 Well, I’m having quite fun reading this.. 😎

Dear sir,

1.You are missing a important factor. The stealth ability of the airframe. kinematics is only 1 factor in the equation. The SR-71 was a lot faster than the Typhoon as was the MIG 25. But neither of them are good dog fighters.

2. The F-35 versus the Euro-canard boils down to sensors and not just Kinematics.

3. Even in a WVR fight the Proliferation of helmet mounted sights and HOBs missiles makes OLd school turning and burning fights too risky, and will most likely end in a mutual KIll.

4. What you want is to strip the F-35 and F-22 off all sensor advantages and stealth, and to have a old school gun fight. Times have changed And I think its safe to assume that even if these U.S. aircraft did decide to merge They will try and play to there aircraft strengths and not do it from head on.

5. The F-35 will most likely have a Kinematic disadvantage if you strip away all of the strengths of the air plane (stealth, sensors, superior fuel load,)

6. But to clarify things these are the Reasons we put the F-22 above the Euro-fighter. A. Stealth B. Kinematics C. sensors

7. The reason we put the F-35 above the Euro-fighter is A. Stealth B.sensors and C. Superior range and fuel load.

8. You would not put a F18E or a Block 60 F-16 with saber radar at a serious disadvantage to the Typhoon In A2A so why would you see a F-35 as inferior to the Typhoon? There would probably be not a few mutual kills But the air craft can hold there own.