nettaAgree absolutely. I only can add that unlike with external loads, the penalties resulting from internal weapon carriage cannot be jettisoned or otherwise got rid of.
In terms of aerodynamics/flight performance I personally see only drawbacks with internal A-A weapon carriage – the supporting structure and larger cross section add to overall drag more than those few missiles on pylons. The only advantage I see would be stealth.
Dear sir,
The advantages of internal weapons storage are.
1. stealth
2. Clean combat configuration
3. greater range because of 2
The disadvantages are:
1. weight
nettaIt suffices if it’s greatly superior to the non-existing IRST on the F-22 🙂
Dear sir,
The F-22 doesn’t need a Irst to kill Typhoons. In fact it doesn’t even need stealth.
nettaNOT quite:
Dear sir,
Which F-35 are we discussing? the A model or the C?
nettaDear sir,
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=BmnC2r8fRz8
Lets hope this ends the ” internal bays are bad, and they stay open for to long” arguementT
nettaDear sir,
It also sickens that EF would realease technical data on a plane that the British goverment is buying ( detecting the F-35) this is either:
1. Deliberate misrepresentation to drum up Ef sales.
2. Border line treason.
3. A serious mistake for British intellegence.
The enemies of Britan will look into it.
nettaDear sir,
If I’m not mistaken didn’t the F-22 already face Aesa equipped F-15s and F-18?
Are you going to explain to use next how the pirate is superior to any thing on earth
nettaThere is a difference between requirements and actual performance, sometimes they are met or even exceeded in other cases they aren’t reached. And who says that the 55° AoA was a requirement? It is the computed performance for the 240-3 model and that’s it.
Dear sir,
I must agree to disagree The marines will require that the F-35b demonstrate 7g and 55 degree AOA before IOC.
netta@netta,
you should first read what I quoted and then read my reply! You obviously missed the point.
Dear scorp,
I’m simply asking. some posters here will throw out test data, or performance goals data in order to win a temporary argument. Like before the F-22s Tv had been demonstrated. people would rely on the fact that the plane had not demonstrated the capability in order to win a small argument. They do this not realizing that the company is under obligation to provide what the customer wants. I perfect example would be the F-35 weight program. If the USAF didn’t care for the specs of the plane. Or if they dropped all of the contract requirements, then so much time and treasure would not have been spent trying to get the plane to meet specifications. Contrary to popular opinion American leaders and pilots care very much about what they are flying, and if the plane is survivable or not. So In closing i want to say to you that when we ( the F-35 faction) say things like ” the F-35 will have 55 degrees AOA” we are not saying it in faith. We are saying it because that’s what the contract says LM is to deliver.
P.S. I hope My message was clear. XD
nettaNetta, to ensure this item is in the correct historical context, that newspaper item was dated 3 Dec 2010. And indeed, the last flights were made 10 days ago on 3 Dec.
Dear sir,
Do you know a lot about the RAAF pig? was it fairly modern, or did it primarily depend on iron bombs? did they qualify it to use stand off weapons?
Im also curious about the fate of these aircraft. This would bring a great capability to a poorer country on the cheap.
nettaThe F-35 hasn’t demonstrated any of these performance figures! Just computer models of an older design (240-3). The demonstrated performance so far is a fair deal away from these figures.
Dear Mr scorp,
Are you suggesting that the united states combine air-forces and LM will ignore the performance goals? performance milestones that are needed for Lockheed to receive funds?
nettaRAAF puts F-111 out to pasture
THE RAAF’s principal tactical strike aircraft, the F-111 flew its last mission today before being retired after 37 years service.
F-111s from Amberley-based No 6 Squadron conducted low-level flyovers in Brisbane, Ipswich and the Gold Coast for the last time.
nettaAustralia’s first squadron of F/A-18F Super Hornet fighter jets is operational and ready for duty following the arrival of four new aircraft at RAAF Base Amberley.
The Super Hornets will add to the fire power of the RAAF, taking Australia’s capability to the next generation of fighter plane.
The fleet includes the first three of Australia’s Super Hornets to be configured to accommodate the Growler electronic attack system.
The Super Hornets will ensure Australia’s air combat capability is maintained until the full introduction into service of the Joint Strike Fighter.
The fleet of Super Hornets has reached initial operational capability on time and on budget.
The combined efforts of the United States Navy, Boeing and the Hornet Industry team have contributed to achieving this result.
The four newly arrived aircraft departed from the Boeing facility in St. Louis USA, and over a number of days
http://www.minister.defence.gov.au/Smithtpl.cfm?CurrentId=11194
nettaIf you want a simple yes/no answer the answer is yes…. the results were one sided as you’d expect – but not all one way.:D
Are you trying to tell me the the F-22 is invincible?:)OK here’s your story:-
A pair of Typhoons, one behind the other, the rear emitting and the front receiving and they don’t manage to pick up the JSF at what in effect would be less than 25 miles. even though the angular difference makes the JSF far less stealthy.
Amazingly the Typhoons gets painted by the JSF LPI radar and targetted (please note the L in LPI) and it doesn’t notice that either.
The JSF is using reheat to accelerate to Amraam launch speed and the Typhoons IRST doesn’t work well enough to pick that out. obviously a useless piece of kit as the F-22 doesn’t have it, and the JSF’s is mounted in the wrong place for AtoA (you might want to note down the cruising/combat heights of the Typhoon and the JSF as this has a bearing on range)
The JSF launces a salvo of Missiles at the Hapless Typhoons who are just cruising along blissfully unaware of the JSF which has had its doors open and is dropping AMRAAMs like confetti, the ASEA radars of the Typhoons are just not good enough to spot those either.
The usual missile avoidance routines are ignored even with the AMRAAMs twanging away their terminal radars away like teenager on a suspender belt.
None of the Typhoons change course so as to avoid the need for the JSF to do any mid course corrections that would take it well in to WVR.
One of the eagled eyed Typhoons pilots sees the AMRAAMS, But heavens above – none of the Typhoons extensive Jamming suite works.. the Jaff or the Towed radar decoyits all useless.
None of the typhoons manages to get a shot off, all four get toasted, which handily negates the JSF having to try and egress the area
and the JSF pilot returns home for tea and medals…:rolleyes:
This is of course Scooter world, I sure your all bright enough to spot where it all falls down for the JSF, it all hinges on stealth and if a pair of Typhoons can detect a JSF at ~25 miles, any further and the Typhoons can run from the AMRAAMs any nearer and the JSF is detectable.
Most sensible people would recognise that speed and supersonic agility are very useful for F-pole, a swashplate design is also useful for turning away while giving mid course updates, and most people would know that the AMRAAM range and detection range overlap.
So its hardly a forgone conclusion.
Er LM say so.
Please bear in mind that it converts fuel much quicker than the Typhoon, do the math and look at the ranges the JSF, That engine in that airframe eats fuel!
Its a bit of a porker isn’t it.
BTW the quote of LPI detection was published in a Keypublishing magazine via email from a source that requested anonymity.
Dear sir,
Its more like this
A.
1. The F-35 detects to typhoons at over 100Miles out. Both F-35s separate by 20 miles
2. The F-35 Push up to mach 1.5 far out of irst or swashplate AESA range.
3. Both F-35s fire but the Typhoons don’t detect them until they go active
4. Even though they are in active range the Typhoons miraculously manage to start an evasive turn.
5. The F-35s see that the Typhoons are turning and losing energy but the typhoons still doesn’t know where the F-35. is Both Blow up never even getting a fix on the F-35
B.
1. The same thing as #1 but this time the F-35s decide they want to humiliate the Typhoon
2. The F-35s both split up and fly out in a wide path out of the Typhoons frontal cone
3. Once of of the frontal cone of the Typhoon Both F-35s move in for a gun shot The 1st typhoon is destroyed but the 2nd is elusive and gets a HOBs shos off but the missile is defeated my the F-35s DIRCM http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:DIRCM&sa=X&ei=7dsFTerINIrEsAOSwdHrDQ&ved=0CBMQkAE
The Typhoon is finally killed by a AIM9X shot
C.
1. A 4 flight of F-35s approach a 4 flight of Typhoon head on.
2. 2 of the F-35 carry 8 AMRAAM and 2 aim9x with both an internal and external load they both have ten missiles to play with. Both missiles carry there aim9x in the bay since they have just been upgraded with Lock on after launch capability
3. The remaining F-35s keep there weapons internal and travel further behind maybe 20 miles or so.
4. At max range all 4 Typhoons and 2 of the F-35s all cry fox. Missiles head in both directions. The F-35 leads fire the entire external load.
5. The decoy F-35s drop there wing points and maneuver
6. Typhoons start to evade but they have an issue. there weapons begin to lose lock when the F-35s go stealthy, and its hard to use IRST when your turning and burning running from AMRAAMs. 2 of the Typhoons magic pixie dust powered ECM pods magically allow them to break the AESA lock and start after the F-35s for a follow up shot. All 4 Typhoons blow up never seeing the Silent F-35s
nettaI would really be surprised if the plane didn’t super cruise. It states here that the F-16 used AB to keep up. This would not be a big deal if the F-35 used AB.
U.S. Air Force test pilot Lt. Col. Hank “Hog” Griffiths believes he may have flown faster in an F-35 Joint Strike Fighter than anyone else.
Griffith says in June he took the F-35A to 583 KCAS (exceeding Mach 1.2). “I may be the first to fly this fast in the jet so far,” he muses. “The jet handles well, and she just wants to fly fast. It has a monster engine. It looks like an aircraft that’s built around an engine.”
Even when loaded internally with two 2,000lb GBU-31 Joint Direct Attack Munitions and two AIM-120 AMRAAMs, Griffith says the sheer power of the Pratt & Whitney F135 is evident. “The engine has a lot of thrust. It’s been fun to outrun the F-16 (chase aircraft). They can’t keep up. If we go to full military power the F-16 has to go to afterburner to keep up.”
Link
U.S. Air Force test pilot Lt. Col. Hank “Hog” Griffiths believes he may have flown faster in an F-35 Joint Strike Fighter than anyone else.
Griffith says in June he took the F-35A to 583 KCAS (exceeding Mach 1.2). “I may be the first to fly this fast in the jet so far,” he muses. “The jet handles well, and she just wants to fly fast. It has a monster engine. It looks like an aircraft that’s built around an engine.”
Even when loaded internally with two 2,000lb GBU-31 Joint Direct Attack Munitions and two AIM-120 AMRAAMs, Griffith says the sheer power of the Pratt & Whitney F135 is evident. “The engine has a lot of thrust. It’s been fun to outrun the F-16 (chase aircraft). They can’t keep up. If we go to full military power the F-16 has to go to afterburner to keep up.”
Link Below,
nettaDear sir,
these are links discussing both the F-22s and the F-35s supersonic launch capability.
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/F_22_Test_Team_Perform_Supersonic_High_Altitude_JDAM_Drop.html
http://www.f-16.net/news_article1840.html
The F-35
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/press_releases/2010/101420ae_f35A_AF-2_1st-flight.html
Supersonic launch of internal weapons, including maximum-speed (Mach 1.6) launch of internal air-to-air missiles, is a feature of all F-35s. An internal-weapons-only configuration is used when Very Low Observable stealth is required to complete a mission. When VLO stealth is not required, more than 15,000 pounds of additional ordnance can be loaded onto six external pylons.
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