http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4697061&c=EUR&s=AIR
Thales To Deliver AESA Radars Soon
DefenseNews, July 6
PARIS – Thales will begin deliveries in August of the first production batch of active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars for the fourth tranche of Rafale strike fighters, Pierre-Yves Chaltiel, head of electronic combat systems, said July 6.
A relative maturity in production of the AESA sensor allows Thales to launch the Searchmaster range of derivative products, which uses the active array technology. A compact version will be sold for UAVs and helicopters, and a larger model for medium-altitude, long-endurance drones, ground surveillance and maritime patrol aircraft, Chaltiel said.
The delivery of AESA production units marks the culmination of some 12 years’ work and more than one billion euros ($1.3 billion) of government and industry investment, he told journalists ahead of the Farnborough airshow, which opens July 19.
It has taken “more than 10 years’ effort to get to this stage,” he said.
In the world market, only three industrial teams could claim this level of technological maturity, namely Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman, Boeing and Raytheon, and Dassault Aviation and Thales, he said.
An AESA radar will significantly boost operational capabilities for the Rafale in terms of range, interception, tracking a multithreat environment and also improve countermeasures.
The technology will allow for the first time the same active array to be used for the radar and countermeasures.”It will be the only European aircraft with this capability,” he said.
The AESA radars will equip the fourth tranche of 60 Rafales ordered by the Direction Générale pour l’Armement (DGA) procurement office at the end of 2009. No financial details were available. A preproduction batch of three AESA radars have flown on the Falcon, Mirage 2000 and Rafale.
The tranche-four Rafales will operate at the F3 standard and the first AESA-equipped squadron is expected to be operational in 2012.
Some five or six countries have shown interest in the Searchmaster concept, which could be delivered in two years for the compact model and five years for the larger version.
The I-Master radar developed for the British Watchkeeper tactical UAV has drawn interest from the U.S. Army and Marine Corps, Chaltiel said.
Chaltiel outlined the technology roadmap for developing the AESA radar, which uses a patented cloud technology receiver module system, intended to allow insertion of new technology over the next 20 years without requiring extensive recertification.
a great interview from captain Romain. A lot of substance to debate.
http://www.surlering.com/article/article.php/article/capitaine-romain-pilote-de-rafale
Captain Romain: Rafale pilot in Afghanistan
Ring , july 5
Captain Romain, you have served in Afghanistan with the Rafale. In real operations, what are the qualities of the aircraft? What does it bring to you in situations of stress ?
In real operation, the Rafale pilot enjoys first the interoperability of its data connection (called Link 16), which allows him to easily find an eye contact [visual] on other planes and especially tankers. In an environment where the rule is “seing and avoiding”, it is very important …
The autonomy of our new aircraft make undeniably a contribution: we can stay longer in support of the troops who seek our assistance.
For a infantryman in the heart of Afghanistan, it is not a detail if he knows he can count on us for a long time… This winter, we will be equipped with a laser designation pod [Damocles] which we will enable us to inform from the air the troops on the ground about their environment or to gain autonomy if we had to rescue them.Do the preparation and the execution of a mission with Rafale differ from those with an aircraft like the Mirage 2000?
The preparation and the execution of a mission with a Rafale does not differ, though everything is easier and safer for the Rafale aircrew, thanks to the plane: to have two engines instead of one, it counts, in France and in operation, it is much safer.
In such a complex machine in terms of technology, what are the aids to maintenance? What is the availability rate of the aircraft in comparison with the Mirage 2000 also present in Afghanistan?
Maintenance is computerized and is done very quickly and very effectively:
In 12 months of presence in Afghanistan, the Rafale has canceled only one mission because of a technical problem, which is really very good in terms of availability…You mention in your book the obsession about fratricide or fatal shooting on population. In a theater of operations like Afghanistan where the Taliban are closely mixed with the population, the firing of weapons seems to be impossible. What are the procedures to be observed by a pilot? And does he have the right to refuse to deliver his weapons if he judges that the situation requires it?
I can not reveal here the rules of engagement that we are required to follow in Afghanistan.
What is certain is on one side our rules of engagement prevent this kind of disaster and on the other side crews are very careful not to commit the irreparable.Your squadron participated Red Flag in 2008, in order to prepare the French air forces in tactical interoperability. Were you present? What did you retain from this exercise?
Our allies were clearly amazed by our new GPS-powered bomb (called AASM for Armement Air-Sol Modulaire ), our autonomy and our total versatility.
In a video debriefing, Col. Terrence Fornof clearly stated that the Rafale did not really involve during this exercice but have especially scanned other aircraft emissions.
Any clarification on this?http://canadadefencesovereignty.blog…-critique.html
Red Flag is the absolute dream for a French fighter pilot. To think only one second that a French pilot might have a chance to participate without a total commitment is just proof of ignorance of our frame of mind.Before this exercise , a detachment went on the Luke airbase in Arizona. A SIRPA [French army information and public relations service] video shows some F-16 in bad shape. US pilots were very impressed by the aggressiveness of the Rafale in dogfight. An officer praised the men and the aircraft with an unambiguous term: “outstanding”. Beyond political differences between governments, it seems there are very strong ties beween French and US pilots. What do you think ?
Our nations are linked by history: we are the first U.S. allies.
In the end, beyond nationalities, the same passion animates all fighter pilots. And as this job is our favorite talking point, bonds are always promptly formed .After the Dubai Airshow in 2009, an exercise called Advanced Tactical Leadership Course (ATLC) opposed, for the first time, the most modern aircrafts at Al Dhafra. Informations have filtered about the results and they are very surprising about the capabilities of the Rafale. Surprising because the habit is rather to hear or read in the French press unflattering remarks about the French aircraft. How to interpret this phenomenon?
An exercise like ATLC is a litmus test for aircraft, crews and mechanics. Leaning on men who serve, the Rafale has shown in this exercise all its combat effectiveness.
France has a great aeronautical history, it is normal that we produce excellent aircraft and it is clearly the case with the Rafale.Let’s talk now about the results of this exercise. Your squadron commander speaks of ” to have put sheets” to the British participants equipped with Eurofighter with a ratio of 7 victories for 1 defeat, with degraded armament on the side of the Rafale. What is called degraded armament and which were the rules of engagement?
[B][U]During an ATLC engagement, 2 Rafale engaged, using their whole system but simulating a weapon that requires taking more risk than normal, 4 Eurofighter. The 2 Rafale killed the 4 Typhoon which used all their normal capacities, without loss.
The rules of engagement were “beyond visual range”. [/U][/B]
(For the experts, the Rafale had then simulated the use of a semi-active missile while the missile normally used by the Rafale is an active missile, which allows to take cover more quickly after a shot.)What are the differences between the two weapon systems, whether in terms of sensors and situation awareness for the pilot?
All have always dreamed of hundreds of Mirage F1 and Mirage 2000 pilots became reality in the Rafale. It is the result of a long common adventure between Dassault and the French Air Force. The Rafale is the culmination of decades of experience in military aviation.
Finally, the Rafale fighter is a very complete aircraft:
The rafale is extremely maneuvering and thus awesome in dogfight. For example, confronted with a Eurofighter, engaged in a within visual range combat with a neck to neck start, we know we need a few dozens of seconds to validate a ‘gun kill’.
In BVR air combat (beyond visual range, ie at ranges of several dozens of kilometers), the Rafale system provides synthetic information coming from multiple sensors. This information is therefore more accurate. We can do without 1 or 2 sensors during a whole combat while remaining extremely dangerous for the enemy. This gives us access to new tactics of particular interest.
And with an greater extension than the previous generation aircraft, the Rafale carries twice more air-ground weapons.
The AASM, the new auto-powered GPS French bomb, gives a Rafale the ability to replace several Mirage while being more efficient and taking less risk.
The Eurofighter is a plane built for aerial combat and it fares worse than the Rafale, which is a versatile aircraft (air combat, bombing, reconnaissance).And about the aerodynamic capabilities of French plane?
Dassault has a know-how which is at the forefront of what is done worldwide in matter of combat aircraft, thanks to its latest Mirage. This expertise can not be decreed, it is maintained.
The most impressive part of the ATLC is the confrontation between members of your squadron and the American F-22 Raptor, described by all observers as a kind of ultimate air weapon, largely in advance on all levels, without rival. Little information filtered about the Franco-American face to face. Why have Americans restricted the battle to “gun pass” only and what were the carrying configuration of the 2 aircrafts?
What is certain is that limiting a close-combat to a combat gun only, it does not really make sense today: even very close to another aircraft and face-to-face, our infrared Mica missiles are able to destroy their target.
So, during various combat gun against the Raptor, the Rafale has had many opportunities to shoot Mica IR, unannounced as not being a part of the framework agreed by the Americans for these engagements. Both planes were smooth.What told you your colleagues about the US fighter? What represents such an advanced aircraft for you?
The Rafale is a very successful aircraft which does not need its radar to fight “beyond visual range”.
It’s a plane with which everything is easy, probably the masterpiece of Dassault.
The Raptor is a beautiful plane, but the Rafale is clearly an excellent choice for France.An Emirati Mirage 2000-9 piloted by a French did a gun pass on an F-22. This would give reason to Eric Gerard [former Rafale solo display pilot] when he said that thrust vectoring is not useful in combat. You are talking about close air combat as a random exercise, subject to factors independant of the qualities of the aircraft. What do you mean?
In a close combat, one teaches that “sight is life.” Indeed, if we see a little too late the other aircraft, the battle may be lost before it started.
To have the “tally” (i see another plane) in time is a random exercise even with the sight of a fighter pilot: aircraft approach each other at about 2000 km/h and the other aircraft may also come from the sun … This is an example, there are other random factors.Finally, i think that Eric Gerard is right to say that the thrust vectoring is useless: we noted it.
You have a unique instrument known as front sector optronics. What is this tool and which benefits can you use in air combat?
This is a camera equipped with a telemetry laser and located on the nose of our plane. So with good weather, we can do completely without the radar.
We can also visually identify an aircraft we have locked at distance ensuring our safety.The Rafale is the first truly omnirôle aircraft. That is to say that he is able to perform all the functions previously assigned to aircraft specialized in a single type of missions in a single flight. Do you have a concrete illustration implementing the panoply of tools available on the Rafale, including electronic warfare?
Every day we train to exploit the versatility of the Rafale.
For example, few times ago, i worked with a young pilot in a scenario for which we had to move to within a territory defended by aircrafts to perform radar mapping, find 12 targets, simulate their bombardment with our AASM and leave. So, within a few minutes, my young team-mate and me have simulated the firing of 5 air-to-air missiles and 12 air-to-ground bombs using all the capabilities of our radar and while jamming.
We have not suffered losses and we have inflicted some kills to our adversaries.Captain Cedric “Rut” Ruet [current Rafale solo display pilot] said sometimes he’s dealing with load factors up to 11 G depending on the configuration of the demonstration. How is a pilot undergoing such accelerations without losing consciousness? Have you been subjected to such strong acceleration during your mission?
The Rafale is the most comfortable aircraft i know. The angle of its seat enables us to deal with G more easily than in a Mirage 2000, for example.
We may need to deal with so many G in the beginning of a dogfight: the first turn often determines the outcome of the battle…
[…]How is going your daily training in Saint-Dizier?
When we start our day, we organize our work according to the flight in which we are planned.
We are dedicated to it, at least two hours before takeoff. This minimum period allows us to be aware of weather conditions, to determine the teaching objectives of the flight, to choose the tactics we will use and to prepare the mission and the pre-flight briefing.
In a complex preparation, the time of preparation can quickly exceed an half-dozen hours.
The flight lasts about one hour. Frequently we train to refuel in flight, mechanically delaying our landing. Those who have read my book will understand that this training is not superfluous…
Sometimes we also train in long flights, exceeding 5 hours.
Once the flight completed, we unload the flight data for each aircraft involved in an analysis system that allows us to draw all the lessons of our mission for all crew members. This phase may take from 1 to 2 hours.
Thus a standard flight monopolizes us on average during 5 hours.
Our training is part of our daily activity. If we are programmed in flight once in a day on average, it is also certain that experienced fighter pilots spend most of their time to train younger.
This is true on all combat aircraft and this is particularly true for the Rafale: This aircraft is a real leap forward in technology and new possibilities that are open to us, lead us to rethink and rewrite our training programs and our tactics. It is a volume close to 2000 pages ,very technical, that have already been rewritten and we strive to ever refine it for more efficiency.
While some may write the other, younger, use their ‘free’ time to learn this documentation.
[…]To finish, what’s up at 15,000 meters and Mach 1.6?
It is a moment of great calm and a rare experience.
At this altitude, it is not crowded and the air traffic controller did not need to multiply radio messages to coordinate our flight with other aircraft in the vicinity: all our natural environment becomes quieter.
The less dense air does not allow the aircraft to move with the same vivacity that at low-level: all its movements are slower.
At this height, flying at Mach 1.60 is not really seen, but is measured with pleasure. For example, i had the opportunity to fly over the city of Dijon, six minutes after leaving the city center of Lyon…
So while you move clearly faster, everything seems slow.
But what i like most at this altitude is that you can see, by looking 360 degrees at the horizon, it has a slightly round form … Then of course, i would like to go a little higher.”””””””””””’
Captain Romain is the author of Rafale in Afghanistan, a war diary describing his experience in combat against the Taliban.
Fighters only after the election
Veja , July 3
The purchase decision of 36 French fighters will stay after the election. In full electoral campaign, Lula does not want hitting the hammer over an issue of 5 billion euros. He believes it would be like offering a match to light the fire for the opposition. But the favoritism for the french has not changed one iota. The announcement of the closing of the deal was, therefore, erased of the lights out of the government.
http://veja.abril.com.br/blog/radar-on-line/governo/cacas-so-depois-da-eleicao/
And the winner is the Rafale
Istoé 2121 , Brasil Confidential, July 2
After several postponements, the final evaluation of the program to buy 36 fighter jets to the Air Force confirmed the favoritism for the French Rafale. The result is called in the Explanatory Memorandum, a 40-page document that details the advantages and disadvantages of each model. Lula will be delivered by Minister Nelson Jobim this week. A recalculation increased from 9% to 36% the weight of technology transfer, leaving in the background the same price point. Dassault was also the only company that offers in return the purchase of 12 KC390 transport planes and its construction in partnership with Brazil.
Still Garuda From DSI now :
Garuda 2010: Rafale participated
DSI, July 2
If, during the press trip on the Istres base on June 23 were on parking only 6 Indian Su-30, Mirage 2000 RDI from 2/5 “Ile-de-France, 2 indians Ilyushin II-78 and 1 KC-135R from Singapore; the base of Orange, however, welcomed for the first time 6 Singaporeans F-16 , 5 Mirage 2000-5 and … 3 Rafale. They did not have ongoing involvement in the exercises, but some Indians were able to fly them on the rear seat, and they were used sporadically to play the “attacker”. At a time when France is continuing its efforts to sell the Rafale to India (though Paris is in a position of outsider facing Moscow and Washington), and when their number is still counted in the territory, their presence was not an accident.
The fourth edition of Garuda (the first had made the cover of DSI, 2005) which until now gathered up the Indian and French air forces, welcomed for the first time the Singaporean Air Force. “For a rendez-vous of excellence,” they explained. Two nations , not NATO members, leaving some autonomy in the conduct of operations, since no Nato strategy forced the trainings.
The objective of Garuda is to improve interoperability of different crews in air defense exercises mainly, in some ground attack exercises, in refueling (Il-78 refueling Mirage, etc..), and at the end of the exercise, in what is called COMAO (Composite Air Operation: multiple aircraft deployments). “Each one finds its interest there on knowledge of materials, men and tactics” explained a 2000 RDI pilot .SU-30mki are a generation ahead of 2000-RDI (payload, quality of sensors), but the French pilots (from 2000-5) assured they played their cards right in “beyond visual range” fighting, admitting that some of them have fought in “within visual range” battle, for which the SU-30 thrust vectoring and the range of its radar, they estimate at “a good hundred nautical mile”, obviously play in their favor …
Nevertheless, in the context of such exercises, exact comparisons are impossible because the missions created for the exercice are necessarily tactically unbalanced to get after a quality training. “If we were using our weapons in the best conditions, knowing that we are all, in debriefings, hiding the performance of our equipment, there would inevitably shadow areas” explained a pilot.
Incidentally, a small air defense lesson delivered by a 2000-5 pilot : “To measure the maneuverability of the aircraft, it is necessary that everyone see each other. There are not many conditions to come in within visual range battle. The good hunter is not the one who engage on equal terms … it’s a murderer who kills in the back, who plays of the trick. The goal is to move as close as possible to the enemy radar (a radar, whose beam is similar to a cone, the more you are far, the more you see. The more you approach, the more the angle is poor. So the goal is to pass under the cone. At 10 nautical , the area scanned is smaller than at 40 …). The goal is to play with the range of adverse party weapons, to pass under the radar cone with a so confused situation that data links do not provide a pilot the information that another aircraft is passing below him … “
The translation is pretty bad and approximative. It must refer to something else like the payload.
Spectra
the pictures related to the numbers can be seen on the link bellow
Spectra: shield and invisibility.
Air&Cosmos special edition , June 2010
Systeme de Protection et d’ Evitement des Conduites de Tir du RAfale: close friends will prefer “Spectra”, shorter and prettier. Behind the name lies one of the most complex system of the Rafale, combining at the same time the functions of detection, localization and jamming of the threats, whatsoever ground-based radars, fighter aircraft or enemy missiles .
To do this, an army of sensors is placed at the disposal of the system. It was also one of the first challenges for the development of Spectra: identify locations on the cell to accommodate all these antennas.
A rather spicy puzzle which led to the configuration that we know today. Thus, it took “thicken” the roots of the canard wing to house, on both sides of fuselage, active antennas with gallium arsenide modules (similar to those of the RBE2-AESA) which provide jamming of enemy radar forward (1). An antenna of same type is implanted at the rear, above the [M88] nozzles . These antennas emit signals generated using digital frequency memories (DRFM), devices that can “carve” a waveform tailored to deceive the enemy radar with the adequate signal.
On the sides of the air intakes, two green receivers (2) round out the forward phase network to optimize the accuracy of the location of enemy radars.An antenna of the same type “looks” back, in the top of the leeway.
Spectra does not only adress radar threats: the Rafale is also equipped with laser warning detectors (3) which informs the pilot that a telemetry laser (used for example by Optronic sensors type FSO) scans his plane in search of a firing solution. Again, the source of the laser emission can be localized, betraying the presence of an enemy system.
Spectra is also watchful in the infrared bands: it is the role of DDM (missile departure detector) developed by MBDA,whose windows are visible on both sides of the fairing at the top of the leeway (4). During a ground-to-air or air-to-air missile firing, DDM must detect the heat emitted by the missile propellant gases, and again, ensuring with accuracy the location to trigger automatically, if necessary, an adapted sequence of decoy: dropping flares for infrared-guided missile (5) or sequins for a radar-guided missiles (6).
All these performances were costly: a total of 3 billion euros have been invested in the development of Spectra, whose value represents approximately 10% of the Rafale , about the same as the RBE2 radar.
But this level of funding, justified by the credibility of the airborne nuclear deterrence , whose Rafale will be soon the only guarantor, has also enabled the french fighter to be the only “fourth generation” aircraft to have today a complete warning system combining radar, infrared and laser detectors.The technological evolution of the system, needed to be able to counter new threats, is also assured: the DDM-NG, which replaces the current DDM with a new matrix infrared sensor, will be delivered in 2012. The upward syllabus INCAS (Integration of new capabilities in Spectra) has also been notified to Thales at the end of the 2009. By 2020, this work should lead to the integration of gallium nitride (GaN) antennas, which will include a more powerful jamming on wider bands.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?137433-Rafale-News/page106
The article :
Garuda IV: Su-30MKI and F-16D in the French sky
Air&Cosmos 2225 via http://www.inosmi.ru, July 5
For the first time the Indian Su-30MKI and Singaporean F-16D Block 52 “Plus” train in the French sky along with Mirage 2000 and Rafale F3.
A rare and impressive sight. The fourth Franco-Indian exercises Garuda (the second time held on the territory of France) gave the Indian Air Force another chance to demonstrate all its capabilities. Six Su-30MKI 8 , accompanied by two Il-78MKI tankers and transport Il-76MD flew from their base in Bareylli to the French air base 125 at Istres, to take part in an exercice, from 14 to 25 June , which take place every two or three years, alternately in India and France.
This year the exercise was expanded: first joined the BA 115 (Orange), 6 F-16D “Plus” (Block 52), of the RSAF 145 Air Squadron , accompanied by a tanker KC-135R of 112 Squadron. A total of 180 crews from India and 120 from Singapore . French Air Force were represented by 5 Mirage 2000-5F from 1/2 “cigogne” squadron and 4 Mirage 2000C/RDI from 2 / 5 “Ile de France” squadron with the support of C-135FR tanker unit 2 / 91″Bretagne”.
Opening
Gen. Bruno Clermont from the Department of External Relations of the French Air Force explains: “Combining the 3 modern air forces, which have high-tech fighter planes, making these exercises one of the most important events for the French Air Force.” Furthermore, neither India nor Singapore are NATO members, which allows pilots to practice French in various elements of the battle outside the traditional patterns.
“In this regard, the exercise does not use any of NATO strategy , that gives participants a certain freedom in the preparation and conduct of operations.” Such an opportunity to go beyond the standard training alliance falls pilots rarely. “For us it is also a way to make an optimal use of precious flying hours,” adds General Clermont. According to his Indian colleague, Marshall K. Nohvara, participating in training operations on another continent is for the Indian Air Force “is a real challenge and the opportunity to train together with experienced pilots in a different philosophical and ideological level, climate and more restricted airspace.” This view is shared by Singaporeans who have been trained by American standards, which in some parameters differ significantly from NATO. The purpose of these “long-term strategic partners,” is to learn different combat tactics, which is especially important since the planned participation of Singapore in operations in Afghanistan.
Scripts
The leadership of the exercice was entrusted to Jean-Paul Clapier,[…]. Was also created a system of video communication between the bases of Istres and Orange. The development of plan for trainings was conducted by the representatives of three countries for a period of two weeks. As a result were created scenarios of different complexity, calculated not only for the most experienced pilots.
The parties first agreed that “all participants will only use their available weapons system”. In other words, they must be “honest” to use means of detecting and tracking targets, and fight in accordance with their real possibilities. The idea was to come as close to real conditions in missions of interception, fire support and tracking using the latest generations of fighters. At the same time in the most complex scenarios in each camp provided a mixture of aircraft of all three parties.
The first week of the exercise (weather conditions were frankly unfavorable) was devoted to study the area and in air battles exercices 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2 and 4 vs 4. Pilots of the 2/5 squadron were accompanied by the Su-30 MKI, and 1/2 by the F-16D at an altitude over 3000 meters. Better weather in the second week allowed to approach the fulfillment developed by the National Air Operations Center in longer and more complex missions (an average of 90 minutes at a frequency of 8 flights daily), in which have been engaged up to 20 fighters, supported by tankers and E-3F and E-2C radar planes. The tasks included air combat, interception, escort Transport (C-130 and C-160) and destruction of ground targets for the F-16D and MKI with the participation of Mirage 2000N and Rafale, to which was often assigned the role of enemy units (wrong traduction, rafale served as “plastron” = targets). The zone for these complex operations has been the center of France (TSA.43), west of Perpignan, south of Montpellier (TSA.41 and 46) and Delta 54, which allowed (in the west of Corsica) to fly at low altitudes in the precise conditions of compliance with security measures.
The confrontation of the operational standards of participating countries has improved the mutual understanding and established interaction between French and foreign crews.
As pointed out by Colonel Clapier, “this cooperation best reflected the operational capabilities of the armies of the member.” Interaction between parties can be divided into three components: “good preparation, active conducting of operations by the management, as well as precise planning meetings and briefings”. Nevertheless, it remained to solve another problem. How to restore the motion of the fulfillment of assignments of the mixed troops? On the French side the answer of course was the local system of training and reconstruction mission SLPRM (approx. per. Used for operations planning, coordination of pilots in their implementation and subsequent debriefing). For Indian and Singapore sides it was necessary to improvise in the view of the availability (F-16D) or absence (Su-30MKI) of such equipment. As in 2005, the problem was solved with the help of GPS installed on the E-3F program Otaris, which records the route from the indications of radar. Together these two methods allow a detailed analysis of missions, as well as to determine by extrapolation the place of the entry of the majority of rockets.
In spite of the variations of the weather, the ten days exercise was carried out around 430 scheduled flights, which, according to General Clermont, is “a very serious figure, and yet here is attributed hundred sorties in the supplementary program.” In addition, two involved in the teachings of the French squadron was carried out in parallel with them and their own training. The French pilots previously had to deal only with the Su-30K, and are now able to much better acquainted with one of the best aircraft of its generation, the Su-30MKI.
Power
All participants were impressed by the skill of Indian pilots, by the work of the powerful N011 Bars radar with a range of 100 nautical miles and also by the engines AL-31FP (13 tons) with a thrust vector control (13 tons). Did not remain unnoticed the wide spectrum [range?] of the anti-aircraft armaments of these aircraft: Russian R-77, similar to the U.S. guided medium range missile AIM-120 Amraam; infrared-guided R-27 , R-73 – the most modern Russian short-range development for close battle. Every Su-30 MKI can bear up to fourteen missiles!
It were the weapons (of course simulated) with which the french pilots have had to deal, opposing them Mica EM / IR (Mirage 2000-5F and Rafale F3), Super 530D and Magic 2 (Mirage 2000RDI). And as a whole they believe that everything went very well. Of course, recognizes the pilot Mirage 2000-5F, their powerful radar allowed them to recognize earlier the situation in the sky, but radar is not everything.
Especially because the Su-30 can not be called a “discreet” aircraft, in contrast to the much more inconspicuous Rafale. We are talking about a complex system, whose main elements are quite detection and concealment. From this point of view, even the Mirage 2000C RDI and its radar with the NTCR function does not hit the face in the dirt. One cannot fail to speak also about the Spectra system of protection and warning established on Rafale, which aims to identify threats to 360 ° around the plane in active or passive mode. It also suppresses the waves around the plane, which hampers its location even with the aid of the most powerful radar.
In addition, Spectra is an excellent data collection system with the possibility of transmission of tactical data via link L16. Indian and Singaporean crews took into consideration this system for calculating the “fair use” of weapons, not using available Su-30 and F-16C jammers.
Training
Although the primary objective of the exercises was to develop team action within them, Air combat exercices were also carried out. As expected, the advantage of “dry” proved their power and maneuverability, although the Indian pilots did not come to use of vector thrust. Despite its overwhelming superiority in climb (300 meters per second) and speed (Mach 2.3 at 11,000 meters), the Su-30MKI suffers greatly from its large mass (39 tons), which to 1,5 tons more than in Rafale and to 2,2 tons exceeds the weight of mirage 2000C. In fact, in dogfight the Mirage appears more “leaping”, but in any case, as say the French pilots, the advantage should be seized in the first minute.
In view of the changing nature of potential threats in their areas of influence , the Indians and Singaporeans do not make the acquisition of new tankers in their priorities. The fact is that both the F-16D and the Su-30MKI have considerable flight range without refueling. In the first case, this is due to fuselage fuel tanks [CFT], which give such opportunites to the American fighters . Nevertheless, despite the superficial similarity, F-16 Block 52 + should not be confused with the F-16 Block 60, having greater power and less fuel consumption. F-16 Block 52 + is often called “intermediate” link in the development of the Fighting Falcon. This aircraft has a significant disadvantage in the weight / power ratio, which imposes severe restrictions at altitudes above 6,000 meters. Nevertheless, this machine is an excellent multipurpose Weapons Platform (air-ground, air-air) through the external suspension Litening and Lantirn.
Expansion
In fact, Singapore’s 145 Squadron is the first air fire support unit. Nevertheless, they are trained to all forms of combat, according to French pilots, “demonstrating a surprising ability to adapt.” There is also such a quality with the Indian pilots, “who are learning more and more NATO standards (…) and are characterized by seriousness and composure in battle, as well as the friendliness and affability in communion. In general Garuda IV was an exceptional event in terms of variety of weapons systems and national standards. It is necessary to note an expansion of “bilaterial” doctrines on new partners and allies, and also being an integral part of doctrines commercial questions[?]. As said general Clermont, the French Air Force wants to fully integrate its Rafale in the future Garuda, to be held in India in two or three years. Germany, for its part also expressed willingness to participate in these exercises with their Typhoon. One of the “essential elements” of the Franco-Indian cooperation could become, thus, a sort of Pandora’s box.
The commercial side of the issue
During Garuda IV some Indian military had the opportunity to occup the seat of second pilot during Rafale flights . With growing competition with US- the French fighter is one of the bidders participating in the Indian program of multi-purpose combat aircraft. In addition, the primary task of Dassault and other French suppliers is to sign a contract for the modernization of fifty Mirage 2000H of the Indian Air Force. There are other perspectives for French aircraft industry. First of all is the organization of training and the supply of equipment in connection with the entering into India of the new radar aircraft (IL-76 / Phalcon) and interest to the French experience in the preparation and analysis of operations.
The French and Singaporean air force are now near the signing of an agreement to extend for 20 years the flight school in Cazaux (WB 120). This summer, Singapore must also decide on the replacement of its TA-4SU Skyhawk with a new training aircraft. Among the candidates , one should highlight the promising Korean T-50 Golden Eagle, and Italian M.346 Master, which in many countries in Europe comes to replace the present generation of aircraft for training advanced air combat techniques. The importance of choosing the Singaporean side for France and its partners is due to the possible prospect of large-scale training programs.
A few things :
all proponents agreed to use their system to full capability except EW. That was an echo to red flag where the mki used its radar only in training mode so logically the MKI used its radar normally during Garuda.
The m2K was rated as more nervous against the mki during dogfight, just like the previous edition of Garuda against the SU30K. According to A&C the Mki almost didn’t used its TVC during combat maneuvre. (Because it is very dangerous and difficult to use in dogfight as you risk to become a sitting duck as you wash out all your energy). About energy management A&C (quoting a pilot) told that if the mirage don’t gain the advantage in the first minute it is in trouble.
Although the rafale did not participate directly A&C journalist made a point ( he gave his opinion) about saying that the rafale would be superior in the AtA role given how the M2K performed against the Mki with their micas and super 530D. With spectra being able to pick up MKI radar emission from 360° well before the mki can detect the rafale and with a much lower RCS and sensor fusion it would be more than a challenge for the mki.
A&C also say that in terms of speed and climbing speed the Mki was the best against the mirage and F16s. In fact against the MKI and the F16 block 52 with CFT the mirage had a shorter range.
here is the link for this week A&C issue about Garuda :
http://www.madeinpresse.fr/air-cosmos-aviation-n2225-543726.html
Some news from Garuda exercise is france :
Multiple types of Exercises were held and all aircraft used all their system capabilities exept EW.
Rafale didn’t take part in the exercise directly but served as target along with mirage 2000N for the main propenents (M2K-5, M2K-RDI, MKI, F16 block 52). Air&Cosmos told that was certainly a way to feed spectra threat library.
French and Singaporean pilots were impressed by the MKI “Bars” radar performance as well as the professionalism of indian pilots. They thought that the mki was overall very powerful and agile with great endurance.
However mirage 2000-5 and even mirage 2000 RDI pilots were “very satisfied” with their encounter against the MKI. Although MKI powerful radar allowed indian pilots to have the first look french pilots recall that an interception is a whole and detecting first doesn’t make everything. What allowed the Mirage 2000 RDI to perform well is its NTCR capability.
In WVR the mirage is more nervous than the MKI in dogfight. However if the mirage doesn’t take the advantage during the first minute it is in trouble.
They also say that MKI RCS is huge.
Even in the Rafale there are dedicated SPECTRA formats, separate radar or OSF formats which can be presented on the lateral screens, does it mean that these data aren’t fused? Certainly not! But you get the clue how such things could be misinterpreted if not explained in detail.
As far as I know I don’t think it is the case. There is no separate spectra format. As for the OSF it is the same : no separate IR/TV format exept when you want to ID an aircraft. then you have the “visual” view of the aircraft on the right screen. Everything is fused in the tactical display. Also I see what is your point but there is something not logic : why would a pilot use the most workintensive cockpit set up ? So I think this path you are implying is out of context.
I still think that an experienced pilot has a good understanding of how opposing aircrafts are working and especially when they practise against it and discuss with the opposing pilots. They perhaps don’t know the exact name of the radar or the number of modules but there is something called “professional assesment” : after years spent in an air force and practising with various type of fighter jets. That allow you to grasp how aircarfts perform according to their tactics and their systems.
For instance (an extreme exampple) it would not be too hard to realize that a single target capable aircarft like the mirage 2000RDI doesn’t provide the same SA
and sensor fusion and MMI.
Besides french pilots flew in singaporean F16 and perhaps in the mki.
point taken !;)
However I still think that pilot curiosity is very strong to see other systems. When they have an occasion to learn they usually do. In fact the notion of sensor fusion or MMI can be quickly grasped with a limited overview.
Just an example for the sake of the example : If you learn that this is the screen dedicated for radar and this screen is dedicated for EW and that pilots from the front seat have this type of responsibility while the one behind do that type of task you can quickly understand how it is operated in the main lines especially when you fly in common operations.
Of course some pilots are more curious than other and some will be less interested by comparing. Still the pilot that I met seemed to be quite aware of the situation in terms of system performance. Certainly not in the details but at least how he experienced it with his professional assessment.
I ‘ll answer tomorrow now !:)
I am not an expert on the mki so I’ll be glad to learn about those new upgrades.:) I personally never heard about it.
It is true that the rafale used the link 16 when the mki could note use its own datalink. But I think that the rafale pilot took it into account as he of course knew this limitation. I bet that they had access to SU30 cockpit and IAF pilots to have an informal briefing in the cockpit while being on the tarmac. I know that Idian pilots had a brief of rafale capabilities during red flag. Would be quite logical to have the same kind of brief.
I forgot to mention that this rafale pilot took part in red flag in 2008 along with the mki. He clearly stated that the mki doesn’t provide the same SA because of the sensor fusion and MMI. Indian pilots (whose professionalism was praised by the rafale pilot like I saw in many reports) had much more work to perform in the cockpit to understand what was going on. They lost precious time because of that when the rafale pilot enjoyed the a much better understanding of the tactical situation at a glance.
I don’t think the mki is getting a new set of sensor (AESA, optronics etc) but I am perhaps wrong.
It is not only about the meteor teer…It is also about sensor fusion, MMI and lower RCS. This combo will put the mki at a great risk against more advanced platforms. A point that was risen (MMI and Sensor fusion) by a rafale pilot that I met in Paris for the century of french aeronautics.
Because you can then rely on more discreet power managed jammers and sensors. Otherwise, you have to rely on the brute force approach. But both work if you can pull it off.
I understand what you mean Teer, but you forget some parameters to get the full picture :
With higher level of sensor fusion and modern RWR the “brute force approach” as you call it is a deadlock. You can pick up radar emissions well before you will be detected. Using your radar is like becoming a beacon is the sky and provide all the datas necessary to be shot. During ATLC a rafale managed an entirely passive interception using only spectra and thus without having to emit…