jackjack :
Here you can see a video with rafale HMS being tested (the one scorpion told you about) :
It starts at 6 minutes and 18 seconds in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJzQU2SXG-Q
I must say I liked the dark vador style design…:D
-Sorry dynamo but the Air and cosmos story about rafale vs F22 was corrected by the same magazine the week after and it was formally denied by the AdA. I recieve this magazine every week since 1997 so I know it by heart ! And I was the one who first reported the news you are refering to.
-No one from the RAF and eurofighter gmbh have denied the 7-1 score. They said (Eurofighter constortium actually) it was not representative which is a difference. Now we have a new response by lcl grandclaudon which say that it was representative for the reason explained in the article. This is a detailed answer, not a vague statement.
Lcl granclaudon went public with precise details in some of the most serious journos : AFM, A.C. or DSI or interviewed by renowned defense journalist who rights for daily news paper. Unless he is debunked as precisely with accurate answers he has the lead.
For some when a good news is reported about the rafale it automatically means propaganda and bad news a worthfull piece of information. You dont have to be a rocket scientist to see the underlying reason : jealousy.
The USA have gone threw two major war this decade and the F22 fought none of them while diverting huge amount of money for more useful needs. In the forseeable future there is no threat which justify the aircrafts like the F22which lacks the versatility and flexibility of other aircrafts.
SH, rafale, F35 or other advanced aircrafts are much more efficient platforms which provides a more useful/relevant contribution to the war effort for cheaper while remaining capable of fighting high intensity wars if ever required.
The F22 is just not adapted to its time. That is no wonder there wasnt any follow on orders. Beautiful piece of engineering (but not perfect nor invincible) but expensive and almost useless. NATO is powerfull enough and has such a wide range of military capabilities to perform well without the F22.
Tomahawks, hundreds of F35, rafale, Typhoon, SH with their associated stand off weapons is enough to wipe out any potential ennemies…
For some very specific roles UCAV would be much more relevant and cost effective to fill this niche.
that is only speculation from you jack jack. EW is an aera which has seen massive investment in france. Spectra alone has accounted for a significant part of rafale dev. costs.
If there is an aera where france might be ahead it is precisely EW. And french EW equpment has enjoyed a good reputation so far (see greek opinion). The cooperative jamming capability revealed shows that spectra development is always very active with future major upgrades to come. Unlike the F22 or F35 which can rely on stealth the rafale has to come with very innovative and performant EW solutions to remain survivable. The fact that is has the strategic role of nuclear detterent makes Spectra vital to the rafale and france to remain a credible in the nuclear role. Thus the continuous investment and upgrade.
Unfortunately there is not enough precise hard data to debate precisely. So your opinion is based on hot air. You can only make assumption and given french experience in this field and the vital role of spectra in rafale survivability everything indicates that it is a very good pice of equipment.
A piec of equipment which attracts a lot of curiousity and jalousy obviously.
You should be able to answer all points. That is a whole. Take your time…I will only be back latter this evening.
For once it will force you to elaborate and not answering with very short sentences.
regards.
yes, like spectra any of the directional RWR can launch on a flat trajectory of the bearing, the quality and ability of the tech would differ though
and distance…how would a rafale perform SEAD or trim the OSF TV zoom (which can be cued to the RWR–see peter collins article) with spectra then ?
some bold claims that will take pages to debate
that are sensible claims. that is a probable scenario if the F22 cant take advantage of its first shoot capability (if Amram are jammed). That being said the F22 has the initiative to keep fighting or leave the fight. Dont overlook the optical sensors also…something the F22 lacks.
i think you should google talk of the f-22 target acquisition and SA of the battlespace, so we can debate this with us both on the same page, from what i have read you have the wrong end of the stick
Without radar emmissions to look for, an hostile cannot be ID for sure. The rafale can ID un unknozn plot at distance around 40Km thanks to the FSO and see if the aircraft is armed or not, from which country it belongs etc…In terms of Situational awarness it is much better and safer.
Jessimo,
1) The whole story of the passive engagement by the F22 has been denied by the AdA and never confirmed by the USAF. So that is only speculation from you but this is groundless. I was the one who reporte this rumor from AC, but it was denied the week after in the same magazine as well as in AFM.
2) The F22 is a better BVR platform due to stealth and speed so yes it might have th first look when using its radar (depending on how spectra react) but to win the fight the amram needs to do its job and given the limitation/constraints of a missile seeker versus an integrated jammer I would say that jamming an AMRAM is highly possible.
1. Its already be established and well documented that the F-22 doesn’t need AESA to fire a passive shot.
so does the rafale with spectra. Just read the articles about ATLC posted right here on the previous page.
Better yet, december 7, a pair of Rafale which protected a SAR combat device shot down 10 incoming hostile fighters while dropping six AASM on 6 different land targets forty km far , everything without leaving their CAP racetrack.In addition, the Rafale OSF allowed the positive identification of hostile fighters forty kilometers far. And, December 6, a MICA has been assigned its target – indeed virtually destroyed – only with the SPECTRA system.
2. The Rafale didn’t detect the passive launch.
I was the one who reported this news from AC and that was formely denied by the AdA. Have you read AFM ?
3. Even if the launch was detected The F-22 still got a 1st look and the Rafale will need to evade
It will evade if the AMRAM is jammed which is highly possible. The IR option for the rafale come much sooner if the EM option fail due to the greater range of the mica IR vs the sidewinder. So while the F22 enjoys an advantage if the amram fails it will be in trouble because it will face an IR threat well before it will be able to go to the merge.
4. If the Rafale turns off its radar and spectra to try and sneak up on a F-22 its as blind as bat.
The same can be said of the F22. with no radar emissions for both side there is nothing to detect. You forget that the rafale has two more sensors than the F22. an IR and TV/Laser range finder. so if both aircrafts keep their radar off the rafale has an advantage.
6. what do you think the Raptor will use guns 1st before using IR missiles?
Its been reported that some pilots saw the raptor in plane view and still could not get a weapons lock (I’m searching for the link)
That is highly unlikely with modern radars. Besides you forget that the rafale has an IR sensor so it can track an F22 without problem even in BVR.
I think that next time the U.S. contingent should make the french earn a merge rather than have WVR engagements. that is how things happen in RL.
In real life you often need to ID an aircraft due to the restrictive ROE. That is something wchich the F22 is unable to do unless having a visual contact. Conversly rafale OSF allows for positive ID from much greater distance.
from Air Cosmos thanks to Olybrius on MP
Home straigh for the Rafale F3
Air&Cosmos , April 30 2010The commissioning of the new capacities of the F3 standard is expected for 2010. The year looks very busy for operationals and military experimentation centers.
ASMP-A, Reco-NG Damocles: after years of waiting, the new Rafale equipment are scrambling to make their entry into operational service in the AdA and the Navy in 2010. This excitement mark out the entry in the maturity of the “omnirole” Rafale, which is now seeking more than ever to earn a place on the international scene.
For the AdA, the priority today is to prepare the operational commissioning (MSO) of the couple Rafale F3/ASMP-A within the EC-1/91 “Gascogne”, enabled Last year in Saint-Dizier (see box). The payload of the new nuclear missile has been made possible by the commissioning, in last December, of the new standard F3.1 Rafale; to date, all of the Rafale B/C and Rafale M in line are equipped with the new software evolution. The challenge for Gascogne is now to obtain its nuclear qualification by the state higher authorities and the strategic air forces. In the meantime, the crews of the EC-1 / 91 already are training with their new mission, and several shots of techno-operational evaluation (TEE) of the ASMP-A were done to prepare an MPO in early summer.Priorities. Once it will reach its cruising speed with the “nuc” [nuclear] mission , the Gascogne should quickly be assigned other tasks which could open the door for abroad operations. Thus, the first crew of 1 / 91 should be formed this summer to use the Reco-NG […].because the commissioning of the new reco pod is also one of the priorities of the year 2010.
If the capacity was originally scheduled to be available at the same time as the Rafale F3.1, the technical acceptance by the operationals was longer than expected and its MSO was significantly delayed. The operational tests are continuing in the AdA and the Navy, which provides additional tests on board the aircraft carrier early in May. Because of these delays, the Reco-NG program has virtually telescoped the MSO of the Damocles pod, which is associated with the new standard F3.2 of the aircraft. The work for this qualification are completed by the DGA, and should be announced in the coming days – the software update has already been loaded in the CEAM and CEPA aircrafts , and the green light for a retrofit in the units could be given in late May. It remains to begin the pod experimentation phase in Mont-de-Marsan. […] The first “Air” Damocles MP pods (multiporteurs – Mirage 2000D/Rafale) will then be tested, and seven of them should be delivered by end of 2010. The objective is to deploy a maximum of elements of the new F3.2 air-ground weapon aiming (Canon included) for future deployments in Afghanistan, planned for September for the Navy and the beginning of 2011 for the Air Force.UAE. Airmen are waiting others significant deadlines: for example, the replacement of the EC-1 / 2 “Cigognes” Mirage 2000-5F, permanently detached in Al Dhafra/UAE, should start after the summer.A first 3 Rafale (2 B and 1 C) of the EC-1 / 7 “Provence” should move to UAE after the summer, replacing much of Mirage 2000-5F.And iIn 2011, these aircrafts will be joined by 3 additional Rafale, which will definitely replace the Mirage 2000.
In Metropolitan France, the future is to activate new units with Rafale in 2011. March of next year, once 50 rafale delivered, the Air Force intends to give its first Rafale to the new fighter squadron to be created in Mont-de-Marsan with the tradition of the famous “Normandy-Niemen”. The new squadron should fill the full spectrum of conventional missions.At the same time, the Navy is getting ready for the activation of its second Rafale fleet , the 11F. Their first Rafale F3 should be delivered next summer, while the 11F SEM [Super Etendard Modernise] will be reversed to the 17F. In parallel, the Navy is also expected to reach its cruising speed in the nuclear mission Rafale/ASMP-A during year 2010.
GUILLAUME STEUER
I disagree.
-All these articles and the previous report in journalists blogs shoz that this is taken seriously. I could ad AFM as well.
-The F22 is inferior to most other aircrafts when it comes to versatility, flexibility or costs.
For cold war games and to beat other aircrafts in BVR in a pure pissing contest (as they will probably never be opposed in a real situation) then yes it is better.
-To fight real wars in the real world (iraq, astan, kosovo) an F15+, a SH, an F35 a rafale or an advnced F16 is superior.
No more F22 have been ordered for the reason above. Their was no urgent need to justify the cost of such a system when the F35 will be fielded to resume the stealth role
some new stuff to fuel the debate;)
The Rafale makes the buzz.
Concurrently, the Rafale shown one’s claws. At the end of the last autumn was held on the Al-Dhafra air base, the annual edition of ATLC (Advanced Tactical Leadership Course). Organized since 2000 by the UAE Air Warfare Center, ATLC aims to help air forces pilots of the Arabian Peninsula to improve their tactics and techniques by confronting them to the pilots of major Western air forces. For this particular case, the Rafale from the Air Force take the opportunity to confront their main competitors on the international scene. Especially since , in parallel , stood the Dubai airshow, which could be used as a sounding board for results obtained during the exercise.
The Army Air has shipped on site for five weeks, from November 8 year December 12, not less than 6 Rafale and 3 Mirage 2000-5E. A detachment served by only 125 people and which required only 60 tons of material. The availability rate of the Rafale, which have accumulated 220 flight-hours in 148 missions, while shotting down – virtually meant – not less than 61 hostile fighters, was 97% for the entire period. And no missions has been canceled . According to Lt. Colonel Fabrice Grandclaudon, squadron leader of the EC 1/7 in Saint-Dizier and commander of the detachment,” the weapon system Rafale, taking its place in COMAO (raids) of thirty different combat aircrafts, made at the ATLC the demonstration of his extraordinary flexibility. And to cite the case of this mission on November 29 during which a Rafale pilot, has launched, in barely 66 seconds, 3 Mica on 3 enemy planes (two virtually destroyed) and six AASM bombs on as many targets, some 48 km far . All destroyed!
Versatility is not an empty word.
Better yet, december 7, a pair of Rafale which protected a SAR combat device shot down 10 incoming hostile fighters while dropping six AASM on 6 different land targets forty km far , everything without leaving their CAP racetrack.In addition, the Rafale OSF allowed the positive identification of hostile fighters forty kilometers far. And, December 6, a MICA has been assigned its target – indeed virtually destroyed – only with the SPECTRA system. SPECTRA which was also capable, twice, to detect and classify – and to propose flight path changes to the pilot to avoid detection-specific envelope – some air defense systems (SA-6) that even the F-16 CJ American specialized in the SEAD mission (suppression of air defense opponents), yet also in flight, were not able to collect.. Certainly, the F-16 CJ in question had not been equipped during the flights with their common SEAD equipment, namely the HTS pod (HARM Targeting System), while their threats library had not been refreshed to integrate some of the air defense radars in the area. SEAD was not their daily mission. But it was not either the case for the Rafale. And yet, the Spectra, with no other equipment than those onboard daily, has done better than the F-16 CJ which, however, are specialized in the SEAD mission. That’s the difference between multirole who need to return to land on its base to switch from one type to another mission and versatility that allows flight operations at the same time in different roles. It also demonstrates, incidentally, the ability of the AdA to quickly take advantage of “hostile” ground-radar records tunes operated the day before and to integrate them into the rafale SPECTRA library. This allowed the Rafale to classify them without any difficulty. In short, the performance was moderately appreciated by our American allies! Especially since the six F-22 Raptor deployed there by the 27th FW Langley FS/1st proved incapable of giving the beating promised to the Rafale. Of the six dofights – gun limited – which pitted the two types of aircraft in the Emirians skies in late 2009, only two saw the virtual destruction of a Rafale. Other meetings were concluded without a winner. A “performance” for the Rafale against the most modern [and most expensive] fighter in the world, presented as particularly agile thanks to its steering nozzles and moreover stealthy. Because the Rafale was, according to the lieutenant-colonel Grandclaudon, “a serious challenger in matter of maneuverability ” And the french pilot to regret that his USAF colleagues had not allowed the simulated employment of MICA missiles during these confrontations.
The Typhoon were inferiors.
Concurrently, November 16, the Rafale gave, according to the french pilot, a memorable beating to the RAF Typhoon – the most recent version – which were also deployed in the UAE for the ATLC. To put it bluntly, Lieutenant-Colonel Grandclaudon said the two air battles – battles with IR-guided missile and cannon – which opposed Rafale and Typhoon gave a score of 7 wins for the first and 0 for the second, the only Rafale considered as having been destroyed flew below the allowed flight floor ! Obviously this statement has immediately raised an outcry among British pilots, relayed by the media and the Anglo-Saxon specialized blogosphere, including claims that the Typhoon does not fly as such during the fighting, but simulated “red” attackers, MiG-29 and Su-27 in that case. So ,the 1/7 Provence squadron leader made a point to recall that 2 of his Rafale were also”red chest” (MiG-29 index “Charlie”) when they shot down 4 “blue” Typhoon – flying as Typhoon – while being reduced to use virtual russians AA-10C missiles to be guided by the Rafale until the impact on their target, which forbade to shoot multiple targets at once . For Fabrice Grandclaudon, the limitations of the “red” plastron role don’t prevent a weapons system to show its real capabilities, because the pilots are taking advantage of the real human-machine interfaces and sensors on board, one of the Rafale has benefited from a refresh of its tactical situation by his teammate via Link-16. In other words, even if some of them simluated Su-27, the British pilots virtually shoot down were using the sensors and the avionics of their Typhoon and not those of a Su-27! And the french pilot to recognize, with great sportsmanship, that the Typhoon pilots who had been opposed to the Rafale the week preceding the ATLC were young and relatively inexperienced, as the French already benefits from lessons learned from 3 operational detachments in Afghanistan (one year of presence in all) and 4 of its pilots had participated in Red Flag 2008.
Some advantages that make the difference.
However, he heavily emphasized the performance of the french system in the field of arms data fusion, from his point of view, the main reason of the superiority obtained. Instead of each sensor to display its studs (aircraft detected) on a specific screen, forcing the Typhoon pilot to operate an intellectual gymnastics , annoying in combat stress, to check if the plot of its corresponding screen of electronic warfare was or was not the one visible on the radar screen or IRST, the Rafale’s systems present to the pilot a single plot on a screen, the system automatically compared the plots provided by the various sensors on board and decided if it was or not the same plane. The french pilots have also appreciated the agility of the antenna of the electronics RBE2 radar – The Typhoon has for now only a mechanical antenna – allowing to refresh the situation in the whole volume monitored. But they insist, for close combat, on the perfect controllability of their Rafale, thanks to the excellence of FBW, to the extreme limits of the flight envelope.. To point the nose toward the target and to design it to the weapons system in the absence of a viewfinder-HMD while operating at very low speed. What are not necessarily capable of the main opponents of the Rafale …
Well obviously, one should not rejoice in excess. The extremely positive results of these meetings have been obtained in special circumstances. The pilots had been set specific roles by the commander of the COMAO device and were therefore not free to exploit in depth all the potentials of their weapons system. The results have been different perhaps in other circumstances (nevertheless, some time ago, another meeting between Typhoon and Rafale, in Corsica, was also turned into “massacre” at the expense of the first 8 losses to 0 ). But, simply put, the EC 1 / 7 pilots are particularly satisfied with their stay in UAE. Their demonstration has , aptly, made a strong buzz [noise] among the aviators of the region and troubled the Anglo-Saxons until now convinced of the utter superiority of their planes. A disturbance also compounded by the loss – virtual of course – of an F-22 gun shot by an UAE Mirage 2000-9 flown, this time, by a French experimented pilot. Really, when everything goes wrong … P
Rafale F4
Paths for a future F4 standard
DSI May 2010In 2019 or 2020 should start deliveries for tranche 5 Rafale, to be ordered late 2015. Already, the various stakeholders of the program are working to trace the contours of the standard – F4 – of these weapons systems. The PEA for exploring paths for capacitive improvements have started last fall. The aim is to commission a review of all areas, to examine every major system or equipment and try to evaluate which technology advances are expected to be at the rendez vous and those which couldn’t be. Or those for whom it will be be possible to justify and obtain budgetary credits and those for whom it will not be possible! This explains the contents of this future F4 standard is still no freezed. However, the operationals are almost already expressing the considerable importance to dispose of a viewfinder-HMD. In A2A, it would allow one rafale to launch its MICA on a hostile aircraft without having to roll up in a close dogfight, which requires to be rid of its load of bombs. So to be able to continue its A2G original mission.
Essential viewfinder-HMD.
Beyond, the airmen consider that the viewfinder-HMD would provide an added value in the field of air-ground support, allowing to design to the weapon system, with the cross of the HMD, a ground target which would be in lateral or rear area and not necessarily, as it is the case today, in the front line sector of the aircraft. Or to design, via the Link-16, the ground target to a team member taking over. Thales evoked the possibility of an efficient equipment for the Rafale coming from the current Tiger HMD . And it seems quite clear that such equipment is much anticipated by potential export customers of the Rafale.
In the A2G field , operationals intend to have a laser designation pods even more efficient than the Damocles just arrived today in the qualification phase. They want the capacity to determine from a 6000 m altitude if the individual located on the ground is armed or not. As for weapons, they evoke missille with double capacity air-ground and air-air. And for the AASM bombs, they emphasize the development, for the 250 kg bomb, of laser guidance in addition to the current route by GPS and inertial hybridized IR sensor, but also on the achievement for the 250 kg body , of modular charges adapted to various types of employment and target, for example to focus on the effects of detonation and reduce collateral damage. The operationals do not want the AASM 125 kg proposed by Sagem. However an AASM 1000 kg with the ability to penetrate bunkers and reinforced buildings is favorably mentioned.
The air-ground sensors of the weapon system should also provide very high definition modes to improve the tracking of ground target (GMTI GMTT modes for the radar) with more complex interweaving of air-ground and air- air modes (monitoring of aerial threats in various areas while providing a ground tracking function). In the A2A field, one will have to start thinking about the studies for a MICA successor and to improve a little more the capabilities for identification of non-cooperative target (NCTR). In the matter of data links, including the Link-16, one will have to make greater use of satellite links. And the sea serpent of steering nozzle for the M88 is discussed again. It is also question of developing a stealth kit. Work will be launched to reduce the RCS by modifying the coating of the cans under the Rafale.
INCAS [Insert New Additional Capacity for SPECTRA] for SPECTRA 5T.
Already, the authorities and industrials are preparing evolutions for SPECTRA , to allow it to remain very effective when will start coming the tranche 5 Rafale. The PEA INCAS (Insert New Additional Capacity for SPECTRA), notified last September by the DGA to Thales Airborne Systems and MBDA, is indeed preparing SPECTRA 5T. The real challenge, according to Thales engineers, is to think, not only about the original equipment on board the new tranche 5 Rafale, but also about the retrofit in the framework of a prospective site to put this future new standard for the rest of the fleet including the first Rafale delivered.
An ambition much more delicate than it seems at first glance, because it need to evolve SPECTRA within acceptable limits – volume, mass, energy, cable, Interactions – by the first Rafale series, although their architecture has been conceived in the late 1980s. This requires, according to Thales officials, treasures of cunning and ingenuity. We must keep reaching an extreme interchangeability. Because the great longevity planned for the Rafale actually complicates the task. One need to design systems, allowing them the opportunity to integrate with minimal impact new technologies able to cope with post-2020 or even 2030 threats, still not easily discernible. As now formulated, the fundamental objective of SPECTRA 5T is therefore to be able to detect, even further, more discreet and even furtive threats.
How? by integrating, at the air entrances more efficient EM broadband receptors. Unlike current SPECTRA, with receivers still mixing analog and digital, those of SPECTRA 5T will be entirely digital. Which, incidentally, will facilitate transport and data management. More, added to future new processing algorithms, this increased “digitization” of equipement should provide a significant improvement in terms of sensitivity and angular measurement, with the added advantage of greater receptor compactness . This will allow, with equal volume, to much more! It is certainly delicate, given the sensitivity of the topic,to enter further into the details of improvements in matter of performance and functionality. But it must be very clear: according to Thales engineers, it is a revolution for technology and capability at the same level as it is for the RBE2 Radar evolving from a passive PESA antenna to the active AESA.The GaN revolution.
This “revolution” also relates to jamming equipment for the future SPECTRA 5T. These transmitters, integrated at the top of the drift and the forward fuselage, near the apices and before the canard, will benefit from the integration of a new technology the gallium nitride (GaN) to replace the arsenide gallium currently used. The use of this broadband semiconductor, still unique within the European Union, very hard and with a very high thermal capacity, is expected to reduce significantly the electrical consumer and heating for a given power. The solid state antennas will provide a much greater lens precision with a very narrow emission beam. Note that to avoid any risk of external pressure on eventual Rafale export sales, the GaN components, like the gallium arsenide modules already used for the new RBE2 active antenna ,will be produced in France by a factory of the Franco-German company ( EADS / Thales joint-venture) UMS. The Thales engineers are also working to modify the current distribution between reception and jamming functions in SPECTRA. With, for example, the idea to integrate, for SPECTRA 5T, a multisignal RF receiver within the jammers. Viewing similarities between jammers and receivers components, such an approach would be technologically feasible and, potentially, would provide interesting synergies. Nevertheless, the collocation of such equipment would introduce real technical difficulties – EM compatibility -, though perfectly manageable. This pass, to avoid to perturb the receiver with collocated jamming emission, by appealing different waveforms for each equipment, with a wider range of frequence than currently employed on Spectra and with the implementation of active filters. In contrast, the locations and volumes vested to such equipment would remain unchanged from today. No way to modify anything in the aerodynamics of the aircraft or to impact the structure of the cell. Similarly, these changes would occur at energy isoconsumption [same energy consumption]. Asked whether the integration of tracted active EM decoys – in use with F/A-18E/F, B-1 and Typhoon – could be an interesting track for SPECTRA 5T, Thales engineers , as also the operationals, replied by expressing doubts about the broad effectiveness of the formula. It is difficult to re-roll the lure in flight and it must be dropped before landing. Hooked from a certain distance behind the carrier, it could allow a foreign fire control to recognize it as a decoy and, paradoxically, to facilitate the detection of the real target. Certainly, the tracted active EM jammer provides good angular jamming. But the SPECTRA ability to use jamming in cooperative mode – mode still insufficiently cleared by the operationals – is expected to balance the absence of tracted decoys on the Rafale.What is almost certain, however, is that SPECTRA 5T will implement dropped active EM lures . They should be able to simulate the RCS of a Rafale and to track, thanks to the deployment of a small wing, a trajectory similar to the simulation of an airplane. This had already been the subject of studies and demonstration trials during the 1990s. It seems that the expected performance of these “dropped” lures are higher than those tracted. Nevertheless, studies will be launched to assess the interest of the latter. The carriage of additional IR cartridges on some external payload points is also expected. Although the PEA INCAS has been notified in November 2009, the study of the SPECTRA 5T architecture system have already made good progress. Suitable demonstrators for various equipment should begin to work next year. J.-L ®
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The Rafale on the starting blocks! Brazil and the UAE: the unbearable suspense…
DSI 59 mai 2010Whether be it Brazil or the United Arab Emirates (UAE), the Rafale now seems close to winning. Certainly, its not won because the french negotiators are forced to navigate among particularly complex local circumstances and foreign pressures using and abusing powerful media relays. Unfortunate precedents, in Singapore and South Korea, or in Morocco, are there to soothe any unbridled optimism. Nevertheless it seems certain that the Rafale is close to a decision. Enough to justify a point in the program:
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June or nothing at all.Certainly, with the Gripen NG, which is yet to develop, the Brazilian industry could participate more in early research and development, but the operational and technological levels are not the same as with the Rafale. The latter, even offered “all developed” is intended to make a career for forty years in the Brazilian forces, while remaining efficient. It will have therefore to evolve during its life. And the weapons system of the Rafale seems more promising than the Swedish one, which is also single-engined and with many U.S. equipments subject to the approval of Washington for potential exports, such as units sold by Brazil to its Latin American neighbors. This is not the case of the Rafale. And the French offer, which price wouldn’t be as exaggerated as announced by the local press, granted to Brazil the exclusivity of the sales of the aircraft on the of South American continent, with no further restrictions on french technologies transferred to Brazil. The french manufacturers say they will facilitate the emergence of local partners, which could be a second source of supply components (eg modules for the AESA antenna) and equipments, for example in favor of other export customers. The approval is also granted for the provision of the complete source code – what Washington does not offer for its F/A-18E/F – and thus the possibility to evolve locally the contents of the weapon system including SPECTRA, without control of the french manufacturer.
[…]UAE nationals are negotiating fiercely.
Thus, a possible lack of announcement before the beginning of June would lead a report , at best, at the beginning of the next year or perhaps even beyond, or even to lose the contract. If the announcement of the choice of the Rafale by Brazil must be made, it will be during the month of May, otherwise … A new executive will be in place. It may need to reconsider the geopolitical and industrial interest and then undergoing new pressures. Sweden, which is delivering the latest Gripen in command, has proposed to transfer to Brazil the current production chain (and not just the final assembly) of Linkoping. In short, everything could then be questioned. And the arrival on site , next autumn, of french Rafale for a Franco-Brazilian air exercise, would no longer litter the symbolism which the political authorities of Brazil and France wanted to surround …
Beyond of Brazil (108 machines in three batchs), the other potential customer which currently make fantasize industrial and french political authorities, it is the UAE. And there, unlike in Brazil, the official choice for the Rafale has already been announced, what is generally overlooked. What remains under discussion, the technical content of the contract, which covers 60 machines. The UAE pretensions as to their standard appear have been corrected to the decline. Applications would remain for an M-88 with 9 tons of thrust , for the Meteor air-air missile and the viewfinder HMD. The money to finance the development of the IR channel of OSF-IT has not – yet – been found.
Otherwise, it would be a classic Rafale F3 standard french “road map”. The french government seems to have now accepted the principle of acquisition of 60 Mirage 2000-9 (likely to be subsequently resold to a third country) demanded by the UAE. According to french stakeholders, the UAE team of negotiators who alternates stays in France and the UAE since early 2010 is composed of real experts who do not hesitate to examine in detail every technical elements. These same french stakeholders do not exclude that the contract notifying the UAE order can be signed in June.
An imperative: export!
That’s the most promising prospects in the short term. Come s’ to add to it, obviously, the negotiations with India (126 machines). The opening of the commercial offers of various competitor may occur this summer. But the selection process will still take years. With regard to Switzerland (11-22), it is still up on political debates about the desirability of such an acquisition program. And the budget currently provided for is markedly insufficient. For Libya (14 to 40) and Kuwait (28), these are State to State negotiations of which the eventual outcome obeys to very specific considerations … A Kuwaiti team has recently come to France and the contact was extremely positive.
As for export shipments, they could start very soon after the signing of the contract if the customer is satisfied with the french standard. Brazil, for example, could receive its first six aircraft in 2012 or 2013 by levying French aircraft on the production line. This would relieve the public finances. Because budgetary resources provided by the LPM [law] can not fund all the commitments recently made by the french government to ensure the industry at least11 Rafale deliveries per year in 2012 and 2013- the minimum to maintain industrial skills and competitiveness -. In fact, the credits of the LPM provide only half of that commitment. The authorities played poker by betting on obtaining an export command that would result from this commitment. In absence of export command, the state will have to find an additional envelope to take its commitment, cropped heavily on other programs. In contrast, a Brazilian command served very quickly relieve this commitment. For Emirates, development and integration of M88 9 tons will not make possible to withdraw planes from the production line […]. It will take 36 to 42 months between signing the contract and the delivery of the first aircraft. Deliveries can begin as late 2013/early 2014 to reach 2018 with a rate around 15 per year.[…]. The Rafale production line was calibrated to be able to deliver 33 aircraft per year without additional investment. This leaves scope for prospective customers to meet additional export!
The Rafale makes the buzz.
Concurrently, the Rafale shown one’s claws. At the end of the last autumn was held on the Al-Dhafra air base, the annual edition of ATLC (Advanced Tactical Leadership Course). Organized since 2000 by the UAE Air Warfare Center, ATLC aims to help air forces pilots of the Arabian Peninsula to improve their tactics and techniques by confronting them to the pilots of major Western air forces. For this particular case, the Rafale from the Air Force take the opportunity to confront their main competitors on the international scene. Especially since , in parallel , stood the Dubai airshow, which could be used as a sounding board for results obtained during the exercise.
The Army Air has shipped on site for five weeks, from November 8 year December 12, not less than 6 Rafale and 3 Mirage 2000-5E. A detachment served by only 125 people and which required only 60 tons of material. The availability rate of the Rafale, which have accumulated 220 flight-hours in 148 missions, while shotting down – virtually meant – not less than 61 hostile fighters, was 97% for the entire period. And no missions has been canceled . According to Lt. Colonel Fabrice Grandclaudon, squadron leader of the EC 1/7 in Saint-Dizier and commander of the detachment,” the weapon system Rafale, taking its place in COMAO (raids) of thirty different combat aircrafts, made at the ATLC the demonstration of his extraordinary flexibility. And to cite the case of this mission on November 29 during which a Rafale pilot, has launched, in barely 66 seconds, 3 Mica on 3 enemy planes (two virtually destroyed) and six AASM bombs on as many targets, some 48 km far . All destroyed!
Versatility is not an empty word.
Better yet, december 7, a pair of Rafale which protected a SAR combat device shot down 10 incoming hostile fighters while dropping six AASM on 6 different land targets forty km far , everything without leaving their CAP racetrack.In addition, the Rafale OSF allowed the positive identification of hostile fighters forty kilometers far. And, December 6, a MICA has been assigned its target – indeed virtually destroyed – only with the SPECTRA system. SPECTRA which was also capable, twice, to detect and classify – and to propose flight path changes to the pilot to avoid detection-specific envelope – some air defense systems (SA-6) that even the F-16 CJ American specialized in the SEAD mission (suppression of air defense opponents), yet also in flight, were not able to collect.. Certainly, the F-16 CJ in question had not been equipped during the flights with their common SEAD equipment, namely the HTS pod (HARM Targeting System), while their threats library had not been refreshed to integrate some of the air defense radars in the area. SEAD was not their daily mission. But it was not either the case for the Rafale. And yet, the Spectra, with no other equipment than those onboard daily, has done better than the F-16 CJ which, however, are specialized in the SEAD mission. That’s the difference between multirole who need to return to land on its base to switch from one type to another mission and versatility that allows flight operations at the same time in different roles. It also demonstrates, incidentally, the ability of the AdA to quickly take advantage of “hostile” ground-radar records tunes operated the day before and to integrate them into the rafale SPECTRA library. This allowed the Rafale to classify them without any difficulty. In short, the performance was moderately appreciated by our American allies! Especially since the six F-22 Raptor deployed there by the 27th FW Langley FS/1st proved incapable of giving the beating promised to the Rafale. Of the six dofights – gun limited – which pitted the two types of aircraft in the Emirians skies in late 2009, only two saw the virtual destruction of a Rafale. Other meetings were concluded without a winner. A “performance” for the Rafale against the most modern [and most expensive] fighter in the world, presented as particularly agile thanks to its steering nozzles and moreover stealthy. Because the Rafale was, according to the lieutenant-colonel Grandclaudon, “a serious challenger in matter of maneuverability ” And the french pilot to regret that his USAF colleagues had not allowed the simulated employment of MICA missiles during these confrontations.
The Typhoon were inferiors.
Concurrently, November 16, the Rafale gave, according to the french pilot, a memorable beating to the RAF Typhoon – the most recent version – which were also deployed in the UAE for the ATLC. To put it bluntly, Lieutenant-Colonel Grandclaudon said the two air battles – battles with IR-guided missile and cannon – which opposed Rafale and Typhoon gave a score of 7 wins for the first and 0 for the second, the only Rafale considered as having been destroyed flew below the allowed flight floor ! Obviously this statement has immediately raised an outcry among British pilots, relayed by the media and the Anglo-Saxon specialized blogosphere, including claims that the Typhoon does not fly as such during the fighting, but simulated “red” attackers, MiG-29 and Su-27 in that case. So ,the 1/7 Provence squadron leader made a point to recall that 2 of his Rafale were also”red chest” (MiG-29 index “Charlie”) when they shot down 4 “blue” Typhoon – flying as Typhoon – while being reduced to use virtual russians AA-10C missiles to be guided by the Rafale until the impact on their target, which forbade to shoot multiple targets at once . For Fabrice Grandclaudon, the limitations of the “red” plastron role don’t prevent a weapons system to show its real capabilities, because the pilots are taking advantage of the real human-machine interfaces and sensors on board, one of the Rafale has benefited from a refresh of its tactical situation by his teammate via Link-16. In other words, even if some of them simluated Su-27, the British pilots virtually shoot down were using the sensors and the avionics of their Typhoon and not those of a Su-27! And the french pilot to recognize, with great sportsmanship, that the Typhoon pilots who had been opposed to the Rafale the week preceding the ATLC were young and relatively inexperienced, as the French already benefits from lessons learned from 3 operational detachments in Afghanistan (one year of presence in all) and 4 of its pilots had participated in Red Flag 2008.
Some advantages that make the difference.
However, he heavily emphasized the performance of the french system in the field of arms data fusion, from his point of view, the main reason of the superiority obtained. Instead of each sensor to display its studs (aircraft detected) on a specific screen, forcing the Typhoon pilot to operate an intellectual gymnastics , annoying in combat stress, to check if the plot of its corresponding screen of electronic warfare was or was not the one visible on the radar screen or IRST, the Rafale’s systems present to the pilot a single plot on a screen, the system automatically compared the plots provided by the various sensors on board and decided if it was or not the same plane. The french pilots have also appreciated the agility of the antenna of the electronics RBE2 radar – The Typhoon has for now only a mechanical antenna – allowing to refresh the situation in the whole volume monitored. But they insist, for close combat, on the perfect controllability of their Rafale, thanks to the excellence of FBW, to the extreme limits of the flight envelope.. To point the nose toward the target and to design it to the weapons system in the absence of a viewfinder-HMD while operating at very low speed. What are not necessarily capable of the main opponents of the Rafale …
Well obviously, one should not rejoice in excess. The extremely positive results of these meetings have been obtained in special circumstances. The pilots had been set specific roles by the commander of the COMAO device and were therefore not free to exploit in depth all the potentials of their weapons system. The results have been different perhaps in other circumstances (nevertheless, some time ago, another meeting between Typhoon and Rafale, in Corsica, was also turned into “massacre” at the expense of the first 8 losses to 0 ). But, simply put, the EC 1 / 7 pilots are particularly satisfied with their stay in UAE. Their demonstration has , aptly, made a strong buzz [noise] among the aviators of the region and troubled the Anglo-Saxons until now convinced of the utter superiority of their planes. A disturbance also compounded by the loss – virtual of course – of an F-22 gun shot by an UAE Mirage 2000-9 flown, this time, by a French experimented pilot. Really, when everything goes wrong … P
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A increasingly versatile Rafale
DSI 59 mai 2010At a time when the standard F3-2 – which further expands the versatility of the weapon system – obtained his qualification, the 50 Rafale being used by the AdA have just completed their 20 000 flight-hours (1). Much of this park – about forty machines – is located in Saint-Dizier, the remainder is divided between the CEV Istres and the CEAM in Mont-de-Marsan. In Saint-Dizier, therefore, two squadrons share 25 two-seaters and 15 single-seaters. All in F3 standard since the transition from F2 standard to F3 was completed in late 2009. In operations , The EC 1 / 7 Provence only uses single-seater. But its squadron leader, the Lieutenant-Colonel Grandclaudon says that “with the well thought ergonomy of the single-seater , we do not prohibit ourselves, inside the Provence, from any combat ability of the two-seater. It’s just that the division of tasks is different in a combat mission between a single-seater and a two-seater”. Moreover, within the EC 1/7 , two-seaters are essentially used for the training of new pilots of Rafale since it is its responsibility in addition to its combat missions. Which one’s are related to A2A combat while being able to provide “strike” missions (CAS and SCALP).
The “nuclear” operational startup (MSO) of the EC 1/91 Gascogne is expected on July 1. The unit, vested to nuclear mission with the carriage of ASMP-A missile, uses only two-seater Rafale. Thus, it is possible that Gascogne will also specialize in the use of SCALP-EG cruise missiles when the mission would require a prior penetration with ground following radar. Which does take place, for now, only with two-seaters through an experiment currently conducted by the CEAM and the 1/91.
The introduction of a new Rafale squadron – codenamed RAF3 – (with Normandie-Niemen tradition) – is launched. Indeed the formation of the first pilots will start this summer within the EC 1 / 7. The EC 1 / 7 will therefore see its staff numbers “inflated”.
It aligns already 34 pilots (including 24 patrol leaders) instead of the 28 planned – while the number of Rafale on the base should go up to 50 in early 2011. What will allow, next year, to officially create RAF3 with 10 Rafale, a kernel of pilots and a small ESTA. The unit will move to Mont-de-Marsan in September 2011 and should get its MSO [operational startup] early 2012 with 20 aircrafts. It will, like the 1/7, mainly equipped with single-seats.
In parallel will be introduced in September 2010, at Saint-Dizier, the CEFER/ET Rafale. It is the common Rafale training center to the Air Force and the Navy. It is not impossible that subsequently the CEFER/ET will move to Mont-de-Marsan.RAF4 will follow from mid to late 2014 and RAF5, the second nuclear squadron, in 2018. It will probably be installed at Istres.
Intuitive ownership.
Regarding the EC 1/7, the reception in the squadron of young pilots directly coming from the Cazaux Alphajets – the PIMS [young pilots]- started in December 2007- and not, like in the past, with already confirmed and qualified “Patrol Leaders’ coming from other combat aircrafts. Since then, 10 have been trained on the Rafale. Two of them will, at the end of this month, become patrol leaders. For Lieutenant-Colonel Grandclaudon, “the young pilots come here with a fresh eye, they do not have to unlearn another fighter. And if they do not possess the experience of elders, those who experienced another weapon system than the Rafale, they grow faster and are more versatile”.
Thirty hours (24 sorties) and 20 simulator missions are enough, for a new pilot joining the Provence, to learn to fly the Rafale, flying day and night, VSV (blind flying), while possessing the basic tactical know-how in the A2A and A2G areas, including the use of AASM and SCALP. With a dozen additional flights, he becomes able to hold its place in a CAP of 2 or 4 planes […]. According to the Provence Squadron Leader “the approach of the weapons system is very intuitive, only one button is used to designate A2A and A2G targets. This allows the new pilot to take over the system very quickly and to use 80% of capacities. But it is still not a toy, he must accumulate one hundred hours to feel completely at ease on board the Rafale.”
More the aircraft and the weapon system are integrated , less the training require time. Thus, according to Lieutenant Colonel Grandclaudon, “for the pilot, using AASM or SCALP is, technically speaking, not very different; in both cases, even if the philosophies of employment are not the same, it is necessary to join a field of fire and to launch the engine. In sum, with AASM and SCALP, qualify and train in the use of one is an advantage to faster learn the other. AASM and SCALP are now a part of core learning for pilots. In sum, what really matters for the pilot, which makes the difference is the context of the mission, whether it is involved or not in the first days of a campaign, in part or not of a COMAO [Composite Air Operation]”.
Maximum versatility for all or not?
[…] In sum, the unsurpassed versatility of the Rafale weapon system put the question of whether or not we need to train all the pilots to the use of all weapons and equipments. The question now is debate within the Air Force.
For Grandclaudon, “the natural ambition is to obtain pilots displaying the widest versatility. But much will depend on external constraints, namely the quality of training, the provision of enough RECO NG and Damocles pods to be able able to train all pilots, etc.. It seems that we are heading towards the option of multi-purpose pilot regardless their qualification (winger, Assistant patrol leader, patrol leader), but with a versatility limited to the outline of the F2 standard; namely the A2A field, the operational air defense, CAS, AASM and SCALP. Beyond this versatility already quite large, you can imagine that we’ll form a more reduced number of pilots for additional specific functions : Damocles, Exocet, etc.. Even if it need a specific preparation a few months before a departure in operations”.Within two years, the best PIMS [young pilots]will become Chief COMAO .[..] Then we will be able to verify the versatility of their skills. In fact, the airmen are still clearing the extremely extensive capabilities of the Rafale weapon system. Lieutenant-Colonel Grandclaudon readily acknowledges: “Even if the F3 standard aircraft we’re using are technically capable, with Spectra, to detect and identify ground-air threats, then to perform a scan of the area in high resolution mode with the RBE2 radar, to see the target and drop an AASM guided bomb from a safe distance, in short: making SEAD, the concept has not yet been validated inside the unit.” It’s the same with cooperative jamming and ground monitoring method at very low altitude with radar that is still only practiced by the crews of the 1/91. In short, for operationals, there is still a lot to discover about the Rafale.
Courtesy of olybrius :
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?137433-Rafale-News/page92
RECO NG: France sees far
DSI 59 mai 2010The RECO NG brought France into the world of 100% digital recognition. Its experimentation in the CEAM Mont-de-Marsan precedes with a few months its entry into service in the forces.
Omnirole aircraft , the Rafale will gradually replace seven or eight different aircraft models within the carrier aviation or the Air Force. Setting in service the RECO NG pod shares the same logic of versatility, since the Thales pod replace three systems: the Mirage IVP container CT52 for strategical recognition , the sensors of the Mirage F1 CR and the Super Etendard ModerniseC RM 280 photo frame for tactical reconnaissance. All with a wider range of use, a better image quality and of course all the advantages inherent to digital imaging and real time use. The couple Rafale/RECO NG will therefore fully occupy the operational space between the UAV and the satellite […]
Happy medium.
The RECO NG pod was raised for the first time in the late 1990s, in 2000 with the drafting of a first sheet of military characteristics. Ten years later, how is it? The program gave birth to a beautiful baby of 4.6 m long and 1100 kg, characteristics compatible with the Rafale and Mirage 2000 [..] Twelve RECO NG have been ordered by the Air Force and eight by naval aviation. The first two copies of series are used since November 2009 by CEAM Mont-de-Marsan in the context of an experiment. At the end of March 2010, forty flights have already been made on the hundred planned. And the pod is gradually showing the immense field of its capabilities. The optical of the HA/MA (high altitude / medium altitude) sensor located in the front offers a large lens for mapping and shooting at middle range, or a long lens for a clear picture from a safe distance. The precise number of the focal length is not public “but it is between the Presto which is 610 mm and the UK Raptor sensor is 110 inches (2800 mm)” one says in Mont-de- Marsan. As impressive as it is, the focus displayed by the Raptor would be difficult to use in operation as requiring an optimum visibility. The shooting at very long distance generally requires to climb beyond the level 300 (30,000 feet or 9144 m) altitude difficult to reach for the Tornado with the Raptor under the fuselage … The RECO NG would have an effective range of 50 kilometers, so two or three times the one currently allowed by the Presto used in Afghanistan. At the rear of the pod, the low altitude sensor allows shot from horizon to horizon only 30m from the soil and at very high speeds (1000 km / h) by using a prism tower rotating at 12000 t/mn. A computer processing of the image (the “morphism”) allows further to “expand” the image on the horizon to bring out details and gain further information.[…]
Computing power
Working in “punctual” mode, “area coverage” mode or “itinerary” mode, the pod runs automatically and continuously knows its precise position in space, which allows it to roll and pitch the pointing optics. It uses this information provided by its own gyro system correlated with those provided by the SNA of the aircraft. The shooting images are realized automatically copied from a numerical ground model, geographically referenced and assembled to form a panorama before being stored in the pod on a hard drive. One indicates in Mont-de-Marsan that the operating system for the pod alone has as many lines of code as the Rafale! The definition of images are then combined with the accumulation of views and a cross-checking can be done to provide exceptional resolution. In other words, the operator in its station can zoom within a landscape created by assembling multiple views to achieve a level of detail impossible to obtain with a single photo.[…].
Three reception towers have been ordered by the Air Force and two by the Navy (one of them will be permanently installed on the Charles de Gaulle), each with an associated cabin for image processing. The combination of the cabin and the turret forms a “data receiving station”, aka SRD. The image processing itself is done with a SAIM NG console distinguished from current SAIM by a very large increase of computing power. The SAIM-NG prototype used by the CEAM has a 8 Go memory and this will increase to 16 Go on stations Series. Everything to handle new concepts under study in Mont-de-Marsan, including stereoscopic vision or 3D images manufacturing. With ,at the end, new capabilities of “un-camouflage” and “unmasking” and also of targeting for AASM and SCALP arms.