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  • in reply to: Rafale News IX #2404172
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    Dassault-UAE May Have Rafale Deal This Year

    By PIERRE TRAN

    Published: 3 May 2010

    PARIS – Discussions between France and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) on a prospective next-generation Rafale strike fighter are taking longer than expected but Paris hopes an agreement can be reached on a “common core” aircraft by the end of the year, a French official said May 3.

    An agreement reached by “the end of 2010” would open the way for delivery of the more capable Rafale model in 2014 and a flying operational life in 2015, said the official, who is familiar with the negotiations.

    The talks on cooperation also mean the French Air Force and Navy could get an advanced F4 version of the Rafale earlier than planned. The F3 standard is just entering service and is expected to fly until 2018-20.

    The F4 model would be a true “fifth-generation” aircraft, the official said.

    A buyback of the Mirage 2000-9 fleet flown by the UAE has not been agreed with France, but remains a “hypothesis among others,” the official said.

    There is “a small club” of countries flying the Mirage 2000 into which the UAE could sell the Mirage 2000-9 aircraft, the official said.

    The main additional capabilities under discussion with the UAE include an active electronically scanned array radar, advanced electronic warfare and frontal sector optronics gear, and a nine ton thrust version of the M88 engine.

    Dassault Aviation is prime contractor for the Rafale. Thales builds the electronic systems, Snecma the M88 engine.

    http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4609318&c=EUR&s=AIR

    in reply to: Rafale News IX #2404649
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    A new energetic/agressive rafale demo video to watch :
    (imagine with 9t engines !)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv9MW0o32wc

    another excellent one (already posted a few weeks ago but deleted for a while on you tube) :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWeiG52Q88w&feature=related

    in reply to: Rafale News IX #2404653
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    From what I read the UAE wants some specific features that were originnaly supposed to be field in the AdA much latter if not.

    The 9t M88 of course but also :

    -Enhanced spectra and rbe2 AESA with GMTT capability. Will it encompass GAN components is unclear for the moment.

    -Meteor integration (way earlier than for the AdA, 2013 instead of 2017)

    -new hard points under the wings

    -slam-er ?

    -heavier carrying capabilities with new external loads config (3 scalp, 3 GBU24 etc)

    It also seems that behind maketed “main differences” like new engines, upgraded radar etc many small details are being adjusted/upgraded to UAE needs.

    in reply to: Rafale News IX #2404813
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    I hope that we will see many of the new features/functionalities for the AdA.

    Anyway just thinking about the 18t of thrust for the rafale…It should have the best TW ratio in the world I believe…Don’t kwnow if it is worth the cost versus operational gain but it should be quite impressive to watch during a solo demo display.
    UAE deal means that the meteor will be integrated much quicker also.

    in reply to: Rafales for Brasil #3, Cachorro-quente! #2412058
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    Second. Show me one (1, uno, une, ein) source that says that: 1. Sweden are not planing on getting the Gripen NG and 2. Sweden will only get a “light upgrade”.

    Who is aware that Sweden is purchasing the gripen NG ? I am following the aviation news quite closely I think….I have perhaps missed something ? I thought that sweden was upgrading their current fleet of gripen without changing major elements but instead integrating new radar functions and the like…

    sorry for the quote function I’ll try to fix it tomorrow.

    So by “exiting the fighter industry” I’m guessing Sweden, Czech republic, Hungary, Sough Africa and Thailand will be getting new fighter from ~2015 since Saab can’t support the the Gripens?

    Being a subsystem integrator is very different than producing an aircraft. Dassault is still working on the mirage 2000 but the production line is closed.

    USA won’t have any major F-16 numbers beyond 2020. How will UAE, possibly India and other F-16 countries upgrading their fleet to Block 60 standard keep their fleet in the air? According to you, LM can’t help them since there is no domestic market

    With thousands of F16 in service the situation is very different. It may sounds similar from far away but we are not in the same situation. Think by yourself…

    in reply to: MMRCA News and Discussion IV #2412179
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    If their really a need a two way datalink will be developed. Development costs should be marginal compared to the value of the deal. That’s not like developing a new radar for the gripen or the typhoon. That being said it seems like an interesting thing to have. Mica is already “networked” with the proven/tested ability to hand over datas to other aircrafts. double way datalink could offer more flexibility though.

    in reply to: Rafales for Brasil #3, Cachorro-quente! #2412220
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    They are still upgrading systems for SweAF until 2040(and all others) and still producing Thai gripens. Believe me there be no problem staying in the buisness.

    Sign,

    being a system integrator is not the same thing as producing an aircraft. Without new orders SAAB will exit the fighter manufacturing business. I work for the aeronautic and automotive industry in the financial sector and I can tell you that its a huge burden to keep a production and assembly line under its optimal production level (mainly due to the huge fixed costs), let alone with no production at all.

    What political reasons? The Gripen support on the domestic market is quite strong. Didn’t you read my links to the swedish parliament, or did you consider it PR bull $h!t?

    Sweden is not planning to buy the NG for the moment. Instead they are planning a light upgrade to the existing fleet which will make more unlikely a major upgrade in the coming years. when you compare order backlog for other competitors the NG can’t compete. If the NG doesn’t get any export in the coming years it will be over for SAAB.

    This might comes new to you as It seem you have limited insight into the Swedish politics, but Saab are’t alone spending money on the gripen development.

    This is wishful thinking. Sweden is very unlikely to keep financing the gripen program the way other nations does for their fighter without any domestic productions. That is much more probably a one shot attempt to help SAAB remaining in the fighter business.

    Again, didn’t you rewd my links? Gripen will be in the Swedish air force beyond 2040. On top of the domestic market, there are so far four export customers.

    Regarding no domestic market. The F-16 block 60 has no domestic market. The US has clearly stated that there will be no interim buys before the F-35 arives. Yet it has been sold to the UAE and is competing in India. LM apparently thinks they can make money without a domestic market. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the MiG-35 hasn’t been ordered by Russia.

    So if Saab didn’t have the support from Sweden, which they have, they can still make money on the Gripen NG IMHO.

    Without any further productions (export and/or domestic) SAAB will exit the fighter business industry. US is not Sweden and with thousands of F16 in service the parallel is not good.

    in reply to: Rafale News IX #2412222
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    According to Air&Cosmos (every friday in my mail box) negotiations with the UAE have reach the final stage. The technical part has been defined and talks are about prices now. An agreement could be reached the 30th of june.

    in reply to: Rafales for Brasil #3, Cachorro-quente! #2413259
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    Gripen NG development is going to a good pace obviously. Its like a sprint while the rafale is doing a marathon already heading for the next step (5th batch).

    The only unknown is whether the NG will be ever sold. Overall it offers a good performance/price mix and with some good arguments (customization, partnership etc). But I fear that for political reasons it will not be produced. At the end when a government put all his weight/influence there is perhaps little place for the NG unfortunately with the remaining competition left (Brazil, India, Switzerland).

    How long SAAB will be able to keep investing and waiting is a decisive factor. It might be able to offer a competitive solution around 2012/2013 hoping for an export but I am less sure that its going to be as competitive in the 2015/18 time frame given that other programs benefit from domestic markets improvements. Many people see the rafale F3+, the SH or the NG as the end of aircrafts respective developments when it should just be the beginning from a export customer standpoint.

    I see it as a race against the clock not to leave the fighter market. That is a bold bet from Sweden and Saab. Certainly there is many good news press release from the NG program to keep all gripen NG enthusiast happy. But if you take some distance from the daily news the real challenge remains : transforming a demonstrator without domestic market into an export success in order to remain a player on the market. Without this reality all this hype is hot air.

    There is two visions about this development sprint : either you can say SAAB is optimistic about their aircraft or it can be viewed as a last attempt to remains on the market. In fact I think that both visions are not that contradictory.

    My personal opinion is that the next three years will be decisive for the future of SAAB on the fighter market. They have a good product offering a good performance/price compromise but lack the political clout to make the difference in the end. That is why I am not so optimistic. The anecdotic good press release may act like a smoke screen for some but they should take a birds eye view of the situation instead of doing this perpetual pissing contest. Competition is already hard with two competitors in Brazil and Switzerland imagine with five in India…Especially on a political standpoint.

    It is frustrating because you have to be very patient to come to a conclusion and I can understand the fact of hanging on to every press release and tracking the slightest positive sentence as a kind of drug or addiction.

    If you really want to asses a situation without rounding in circles in sterile specs debate you really should take a bird eye view and take into account all factors.

    If the gripen NG wins a first export that could be a positive trend/spiral but losing one could means the end. The perception from other air forces as being a viable program in the long run is very important. A risky bet from SAAB but I understand the core reasons : money, prestige, pride etc…

    in reply to: Rafale News IX #2416353
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    M88

    in reply to: Rafale News IX #2416361
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    CdG on the baletic :

    in reply to: Rafale v Typhoon and the F22… #2416449
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    Maybe I’m able to run it through a translation software, I still have it on my HD. It was that ~80 pages pdf if I recall correctly.

    Yes that’s this one. For someone interested about rafale it contains invaluable infos. That’s really a true research work with a scientific approach.
    So I really encourage you to read if it is possible.

    I do agree with you, well except for the last paragraph, as Captor-D is ready to accept an AESA antenna. So it is not too hard to switch either.

    yes but not as easily than a pesa and with much more software works aswe are just talking about an antenna. To answer you there is a good article about it :
    PS : this article is also interesting when you make the link with current GaN development for Spectra and RBE2 for the 5th batch. (see rafale thread)

    Radar revolution: the arrival of gallium nitride components opens up new applications for radars, including jamming and telecomm
    By Jean Dupont | Interavia Business & Technology – Summer, 2007

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    The active array antenna has virtually taken over the radar market–having won a berth on every new fighter or surveillance aircraft programme launched over the past 10 years. Even earlier programmes, such as the Rafale, Gripen, Typhoon or MiG-35 are preparing for the transition to active-array technology. The pressure do to so has been stepped up following the first US export sales of aircraft equipped with active-array radars–F-15s to Singapore in 2005, followed by Australia’s recent order for the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.

    Weapons labs around the globe, however, are already gearing up for the next generation–antenna with the power and bandwith to perform offensive jamming and communications in addition to the radar function, and with a sufficiently compact and modular design to be housed not only in the nose of the fighter aircraft but also in conformal units elsewhere on the airframe surface.

    The trigger for this revolution is a semiconductor material called gallium nitride (GaN), which, like the gallium arsenide (GaAs) used in current active antennas, is composed of elements from columns 3 and 5 of the periodic table and can be used to produce high frequency amplifiers.

    The emergence of GaN from the laboratory has been delayed by epitaxy issues–growth of the semi-conductor layer on the silicon (Si) substrate, or silicon carbide (SIC) in the case of cutting-edge military applications. GaN and the substrate are made of crystals with different interatomic distances, hence the difficulty in assembling the two materials at a microscopic scale. The largest slices of high-performance GaN that have been obtained to date have a diameter of three inches, compared with six inches for GaAs and up to twelve inches for silicon. The size of the slice determines the number of chips that the machine can produce in a single pass.

    GaN is clearly destined to remain expensive and its utilisation unlikely to expand beyond a limited number of applications, particularly since suppliers of SiC substrates are themselves limited. This situation could change, however, as GaN slices are expected to increase to four inches in the near future, and the arrival of new players should help to drive prices down, predicts Dominique Pons who heads the Alcatel Lucent/Thales III-V Lab. (The name reflects the columns of the periodic table mentioned above.) In any case, the intrinsic qualities of GaN have convinced the US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa) to invest heavily–tens of millions of dollars per year–in the technology.

    The involvement of telecommunications giant Alcatel Lucent reflects the inherent duality of the technology–GaAs components are widely used in cell phones. Though power applications, such as radar, are largely confined to the military and space sectors, they are gradually finding their way into the civil domain. In the 1990s, EADS and Thales formed a joint company, United Monolithic Semiconductors (UMS), to produce GaAs chips and monolithic microwave integrated circuits (MMICs) for their new-generation radars.

    Series production

    UMS launched series production of MMICs for S- and C-band radars at the beginning of this decade, followed more recently by X-band radars like the active-array RBE2 AA that will equip the Rafale starting in 2012. On the civil side, lead times between technology incubation and application are much shorter, and the company has managed to find GaAs applications in a number of professional or top-end civil markets, such as wireless telecom infrastructures and anti-collision radars for cars.

    In this way the military potential of GaAs has opened up an industrial capability that has found market openings in Europe … the same openings that GaN will be able to exploit in its turn. Agreements are already in place with NXP (ex-Philips Semiconductors), explains Thierry Laboureau, UMS sales and marketing director, to develop power components for base stations for third- and fourth-generation cell phone networks and for WiMax base stations for mobile internet users. Ultimately, once prices have come down far enough, GaN could conceivably make its way into the kitchen, replacing the magnetron in the micro-wave oven.

    However, these longer-term commercial perspectives will not be enough to cover the investment required to launch foundry operations. Nor is there any prospect of procuring components for military applications from the US or Japan–both countries have already placed an embargo on GaAs circuits, and there is no reason for them to be any more flexible concerning GaN. This explains why the defence procurement authorities in France and Germany are both helping to support industrial research efforts.

    According to Dominique Pons, the III-V Lab should produce its first X-band or wide-band GaN MMICs this year. Following validation and industrialisation by UMS, series production should get under way by 2009.

    EDA funding

    GaN is also one of the very first research areas to receive funding from the European Defence Agency (EDA) under a 40 million [euro] programme called Korrigan that brings together 23 companies and laboratories in seven countries to accelerate the development of one or more European GaN foundries with associated supply chain by 2009. The programme leader is Thales Airborne Systems. Other participants include EADS, Selex Sistemi Integrati, Saab Ericsson and BAE Insyte. Their role initially is to define requirements for the foundries, before becoming directly involved, from 2008 onwards, in integrating the microchips into a variety of specialised modules covering a range of land-based and airborne radar applications, as well as self-protection or offensive jammers.

    In this way, explains Thales Airborne Systems technical director Pierre Fossier, it should be possible to launch the first system applications in 2010. In France, one of the leading candidates for the new technology is the offensive jammer, a capacity that the French Air Force has had its eyes on for several years, and which has already given rise to the Carbone airborne demonstrator. The performance of the system attracted a lot of attention at NATO’s Mace X electronic warfare exercise in the year 2000.

    The DGA procurement branch of the French MoD is continuing to provide limited funding for exploratory work by Thales while awaiting for national budgets to kick in to complete development. GaN would allow for a reduction in the size of the jammer, potentially clearing the way for integration into a combat aircraft. One of the first European acquisition programmes to integrate GaN technology could well be the Maritime Airborne Surveillance and Control (MASC) programme to replace Royal Navy Sea King Mk7 airborne surveillance helicopters, as required for the future CVF aircraft carriers. The three candidates for this mission are the Hawkeye aircraft, the EH-101 helicopter and the tiltwing V-22, though the Hawkeye would appear to be ruled out by the absence of a catapult in the current CVF definition. Both the other candidates would require a compact and powerful radar to meet missions requirements. The potential advantages of a GaN radar in this context have prompted the British MoD to finance some upstream development work in preparation for a programme launch in the 2009 timeframe–the same year that the first European GaN modules are scheduled to come off the production line.

    Rafale lead

    As far as Europe’s combat aircraft programmes are concerned, the Rafale seems to have established a lead over Typhoon and Gripen in the race to integrate an active array antenna. This is primarily because–unlike its competitors–the transition to active-array technology on the Rafale’s electronically scanned RBE2 was planned from the outset, avoiding the need for the more extensive (and expensive) modifications required on the mechanical antennas of the Typhoon and Gripen. The increase in range that the new technology will bring is deemed essential if the aircraft is to fully exploit the potential of the future ramjet-powered Meteor missile, due to enter service in the early years of the next decade. Without it, pilots will rely on target designation from another platform to strike targets at the limits of the Meteor envelope.

    All aircraft will benefit from the collaborative work accomplished under the trinational Airborne Multirole Solid State Active Array Radar (AMSAR) programme, which was launched in 1993 to develop a European capability in GaAs power devices and subsequently gave rise to UMS (EADS/Thales). Work under AMSAR is currently focused on beam forming through computation. The goal is to cancel reception in jammed sectors and improve rejection of parasitic ground echos, though at the cost of a more complex antenna architecture.

    In France, Thales launched its own active antenna radar demonstrator programme in the late 1990s incorporating US components. The resulting mockup was tested at the CEV flight test centre in 2002 on a Mystere XX test bed, and the following year on Rafale. In February 2004, the French MoD’s DGA procurement branch awarded 85 million [euro] under the DRAMA programme to develop a prototype active-module radar representative of an operational system.

    Thales is currently working on its first DRAMA antenna featuring UMS components. The antenna is scheduled to be delivered to the CEV test centre in midyear for flight testing on the Mystere XX and Mirage 2000 through 2009. The objective is to complete qualification of the new radar by 2009 and deliver two prototypes to Dassault the following year for integration into the aircraft and validation of the full standard. The first two production radars are currently scheduled for delivery in 2011; they will equip the last two Rafales in the current production batch. Half of the 400 million [euro] in funding for the Rafale “Roadmap”–the development of additional capabilities beyond the F3 standard–has been earmarked for the introduction of an active array antenna on the RBE2. This will involve an array of around 1,000 GaAs transmit/receive modules to replace the existing passive scanning antenna and the travelling wave tube (TWT) on the transmitter. The goal is to have the resulting AA version of the RBE2 ready for series production to equip Rafales delivered from 2012 under the next multi-year order, which is expected to be signed in early 2009.

    According to Thales, the RBE2 AA will offer 50% greater range than the current RBE2 and a huge increase in reliability–major overhaul every 7-10 years, compared with a current TWT service life of around 100 hours. It will also be possible to generate SAR images in air-to-ground mode with 1 m resolution or better, and to detect at long range low-reflection airborne targets, including stealthy UAVs and UCAVs.

    No state funding has yet been made available to fund the active-array transition for Typhoon and Gripen. Euroradar (Selex SAS/EADS/Galileo Avionica/Indra) launched its own Caesar demonstrator programme for Typhoon in 2003. The demonstrator made its first flight on a BAC 1-11 testbed in February 2006. Caesar combines the back end from the existing Captor with an antenna partially featuring active GaAs modules from UMS (Germany) and Filtronic (UK). Captor air-to-air modes have been partially adapted to the new antenna. Caesar was flight tested on a Typhoon development aircraft (DA5) in May.

    Industry is hopeful of an order as part of the Tranche 3 batch of Eurofighters, currently due to be ordered in 2009 for delivery starting in 2012. According to industry officials, the operating cost gains due to improved reliability would compensate for the extra cost due to development of the new antenna.

    In Sweden, Saab Microwave Systems (the former Ericsson) is following a similar path, also without government funding. Saab, which hopes to start flight demonstrations this summer, aims to have an active antenna radar on Gripen by 2015, slightly later than the offer European programmes but with more ambitious technology goals. The antenna for its so-called Not Only Radar (NORA) concept would be mounted on a vertical axis allowing the scan angle (120[degrees] in pure electronic mode) to be extended to 200[degrees]. Nora would also offer jamming and data link functions, similar to what the Americans are testing today on the F-22’s APG-77.

    RELATED ARTICLE: Multifunction radars.

    Much of the potential offered by GaN can be seen today with GaAs. It is already possible to produce very-high-bandwidth medium-power amplifiers for self-protection jammers covering the entire upper portion of the the electronic warfare spectrum (618-GHz). Thanks to a major technology investment, industry can now produce more powerful amplifiers, delivering around 10W at the high efficiency levels (around 50%) required for airborne X-band (8-12GHz) radar applications. In doing so, however, bandwidth has dropped to around 10% of the operating frequency. The experts predict that, within a relatively short timeframe, it will be possible to produce still more powerful GaN amplifiers … with at least twice the bandwidth. The US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa) is targeting a six-fold increase in power compared with existing GaAs modules.

    In Europe, the Korrigan project (see main article) aims to develop X-band power amplifiers in excess of 20W (i.e. suitable for radar and long-distance telecom applications) and with a bandwidth of around 2GHz, sufficient to jam other transmitters in the same frequency band.

    In theory, modules with twice as much power could be used to produce radars with twice as much power, i.e. twice the range. However, engineers could well select another avenue, initially at least, since the useful range of a radar is related to the range of the weapons that it is being used to control. On the other hand, if the power of GaN is used to trim the number of modules, this means that the size of the antenna–and the nose section of the aircraft–can be significantly reduced, with an obvious payoff in terms of aerodynamics and stealth. The aircraft’s stealth characteristics would be further improved by the fact that, by sharing the same antenna for radar, jamming and communications functions, there would be a reduction in the number of reflectors for enemy radars.

    Another consequence of the smaller antenna is on increase in beam width. The tradeoff is a slight loss of resolution, but this is not a major problem in air-to-air situations where missiles have their own active seekers that can compensate for shortcomings in target designation. In air-to-ground modes, however, a wider beam enables a given area to be covered more quickly to establish cartography. Also, in jamming mode, the aiming accuracy in relation to a hostile transmitter would be less demanding.

    The combination of all these modes (radar, communications jamming) on a GaAs radar is also possible. In the US, trials have been performed using the Northrop Grumman APG-77 radar on the F-22 and the Raytheon APG-79 on the F/A-18E/F Block 2. However, local media reports have highlighted the limits of what can be achieved. First-generation APG-77s reached their temperature limits already in radar mode. This problem seems to have been resolved on more recent versions, but in jamming mode the APG-77 cannot transmit for more than one second without damaging the radar. Also, experts have commented that jamming is effective over a frequency band that is too narrow to effectively counter all airborne threats.

    This helps to explain why the US, despite their lead in GaAs technology, is currently accelerating research into a future alternative.

    RELATED ARTICLE: Power plus bandwith.

    The intrinsic properties of gallium nitride (GaN) make it the designated successor to gallium arsenide (GaAs) for radar applications. The three major properties are: substrate thermal conductivity and breakdown electric field 10 times greater than GaAs, and a very high output impedance, allowing GaN transistors to operate across very large bandwidths.

    The higher breakdown electric field means that components will be able to operate at higher voltages (typically 20 and 40V, compared with 10V for X-band GaAs components) and will possess greater tolerance to impedance mismatch, rendering them less sensitive to hyperfrequency aggressions.

    Operating at higher voltages, GaN amplifiers should reduce heat losses–which the good thermal conductivity of the substrate will help to evacuate more effectively. Hence the possibility of either deriving more power from components, or reducing component size for the same power.

    GaN can be used to produce amplifiers up to several hundred watts which could be used to replace travelling wave tubes on telecommunications satellites. A major advantage in this case would be the elimination of very-high-voltage power supplies and the risk that these represent for the onboard environment. Transmit/receive modules for radar antenna (which today measure 6-7cm in length, with a 15mm section) could be packaged in 13mm cubes … small enough to insert into conformal antenna and open the way to “smart skin”.

    Finally, the high breakdown voltage of the semiconductors means that the low-noise amplifiers in the reception stages of the radar will be less sensitive, i.e. more resistant to external aggression, such as offensive jamming and leakage from the transmit circuit at the antenna stage. Today, GaAs receive module stages require protection in the form of bulky and expensive ultra-rapid ferrite circulators. These circulators could be replaced by simple switches, also using GaN technology. In this way, all the high-frequency components of the radar antenna modules could be built using the same process, thus further reducing production costs.

    in reply to: Rafale v Typhoon and the F22… #2416552
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    Is that really how “omnirole” is defined by Dassault? I was more of the impression that omnirole indicates the fact that the Rafale can perform various mission which previously required a number of dedicated types (AA, SEAD, CAS, anti-shipping, recce, nuclear strike etc.). The Rafale is indeed one of the first aircraft capable to do different things at the same time, though the radar isn’t the only factor and it appears to be just possible with the single seater.

    To answer you about omnirole meaning for the french : both (replacing a number of dedicated aircrafts and performing missions simultaneously)

    its possible with a single seater but there is a limit : one pilot cannot cope with everything simultaneously despite a very good MMI.

    There is often a different tempo/mindset for AtG and AtA so a twin seater is more adapted for complex missions where you need to take simultaneous or near simultaneous decisions in a very dense complicated and stressful situation. Its a pitty you can not read the thesis work once posted here (I think you remember). It directly dealt with this issue of omnirole vs single/twin seater. A single is ok for more predictable situations. A pilot can achieve near simultaneous work although decisions taken are more “scripted” due to the limit of information on man can digest.

    training is something decisive to ensure that 1+1 crew = 2 and not 1+1=1….

    to seahawk :

    its more or less linked to radar technology even if you need all the softwares behind and sensor fusion.
    AESA and PESA are both E-scan enabling instantaneous beam shifting and thus interlacing modes, something that a mech scan radar cant do. It is not a question of generation but technology choice. each of them having their own pros and cons although modern AESA are overall superior to mech radar and pesa of course.
    The initial PESA choice for the rafale over the mech choice for the typhoon is linked to different priorities. Captor M has better range and azimut search than the rbe2 but it can’t interlace modes in the way the rbe2 does which was deemed essential for the nuke role. On another hand a rafale cannot perform has effectively during a supersonic turn in a BVR fight due to the more limited capability in azimuth. So each radar has its strenghts and weaknesses and can’t be directly compared as they have different operational priorities in mind.
    For the french side lack of range was thought to be less important due to AWACS net-centric operations, modern RWR to detect enemy radar emission, and the fact that it is an easier step towards AESA radar which will be soon in service with the rafale.

    in reply to: Rafale v Typhoon and the F22… #2416748
    arthuro
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    BW it would be nice if you could stop this perpetual pissing contest…

    I hope other forumer will be wise enough not to answer.

    in reply to: Rafale v Typhoon and the F22… #2416769
    arthuro
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    It was not me that said the PESA of Rafale would be clearly superior to Captor-M.

    And at least with the F-15E and the F-18D Night Attack versions there were the first omnirole planes in service. Both can take a ground radar picture and switch back to AA with in seconds (faster really) and the backseater can play with the stored radar image. He is able to get GPS coordinates or point the optical sensor towards it, even while the radar is in AA mode.

    And even if we define omnirole as posted above, then the F-18 E7F is the omnirole fighter.

    I am not here for a pissing contest but the first true omnirole fighters were the F16 block 60, the rafale and the Super hornet and now the F15 AESA. previous aircrafts like those mentioned were multirole it you stick to dassault’s definition.

    You can’t perform simultaneous TF or sea search while scanning and engaging air threats with the aircrafts you quoted for instance. That’s swingrole or multirole but not omnirole.

    I didn’t say that The RBE2 was superior to the captor M. They are two different radars with a different philosophy of use with respective pros and cons.

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