An interesting aside… when i was at secondary school in the early 80’s, we had an unofficial TSR2 fan club that would meet in the library at break time…
One monday one of our number came in grinning… he’d been down to Cosford at the weekend and seen a load of ‘men from the ministry types’ swarming over XR220… when asked what they were doing the only reply he could get was “they’re thinking of bringing it back….”
🙂
Zeb
Did he say whether the men from the ministry had tape measures? 😀
And now HMS Prince of Wales (I was hoping on it being renamed Ark Royal :() has been formerly christened and is externally complete. Though the fact that it won’t be in full service for another six years to me is diappointing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-41172440
Damn straight. Just finished reading the 2017 RAF Yearbook where in one of the articles it good as admitted the Lightning wasn’t as good as Typhoon. THe RAF can afford that as they get two jets to augment each other. The Navy has to settle for the one and even that effectively under ‘light-blue’ control.
I agree Dreadnought, brilliant interoperability. If they removed that monstrosity from the bow and installed a pair of ‘cats and arrestor cables, angled-deck markings etc, then we’d have a proper carrier. That’s what you get with having politicians & particularly the Treasury interfering in such matters.
I stand corrected :). The actual article on HMS Eagle lists her as the fifteenth whilst the list of different Eagles lists eighteen.
Thanks Clan Warrior :). But it would be Ark Royal 6 & Eagle 15.
🙂 No problem with the RAF having ’em to replace the Harrier but I was thinking either Super-Hornets or Rafale-Ms for our ships. And while we’re at it – and I’m speaking as a monarchist – it would be good if they could rename them HMS Eagle & HMS Ark Royal.
Imagine how much better she would look without the ski-jump and with a pair of steam (or EM) catapults, an angled-deck and a couple of dozen fast jets on her deck?:)
Is she a sister ship of the Admiral Kuznetsov and Liaoning? She seems to be the same general design, but maybe its the camera angle but the island looks farther forward than on either of the other two.
(If viewing from USA, try this link instead)
I like this. I’d like to see someone do something similar with footage from the 1970s HMS Ark Royal using footage from either ‘Sailor’ or ‘Flying The Ark’.
Well, that shot looks good… VF-96 I see, but there is only one problem.
The large tail letters indicate which Air Wing an aircraft belongs to… and each air wing is only assigned to one carrier at any time.
There is no possibility of that photo being taken before 1966, because no F-4 carried the NG tail letters before Hermes started her refit on 24 Feb 1964… when she got the longer port catapult. Therefore, that photo had to be taken after May 1966!
History of 1960s F-4B Phantom deployments with tail letters NG:
CV-61 Ranger
August 5, 1964 – May 6, 1965
VF-92 (F-4B)
VF-96 (F-4B)CVN-65 Enterprise
October 26, 1965 – June 21, 1966
VF-92 (F-4B)
VF-96 (F-4B)November 19, 1966 – July 6, 1967
VF-92 (F-4B)
VF-96 (F-4B)January 3, 1968 -July 18, 1968
VF-92 (F-4B)
VF-96 (F-4B)In 1963 the Air Wing designated NG was indeed assigned to the Ranger, but here is the list of aircraft aboard Ranger in early 1963… and there are no F-4s aboard at all!
November 9, 1962 – June 14, 1963 (NG)
VF-91 (F8U)
VF-92 (F3H)
VA-93 (A4D)
VA-94 (A4D)
VA-95 (AD-7)
VAH-6 (A3D)
VAW-11 Det.M (E-1B)
VFP-63 Det.M (F8U-1P)
HU-1 Det.M (UH-2B)
[this list uses the pre-1962 unification designations… the AD-7 is the A-1J in the post-1962 scheme]The first deployment of Ranger with Phantoms :
August 5, 1964 – May 6, 1965 (NG)
VF-92 (F-4B)
VF-96 (F-4B)
VA-93 (A-4C)
VA-95 (A-1J and A-1H)
VA-94 (A-4C)
RVAH-5 (RA-5C)
VFP-63 Det M (RF-8A)
VAW-11 Det M (E-1B)
VAH-2 Det M (A-3B)
HU-1 Unit M (UH-2A)
VAP-61 Det (RA-3B)*
VQ-1 Det (EA-3B)*This data is from here: http://navysite.de/carriers.htm
1. click on a Carrier… Ranger for example: http://navysite.de/cvn/cv61.htm
2. scroll down until you see: “Click here to get a view of the deployments of USS RANGER” [here is the link: http://navysite.de/cvn/cv61deploy.htm ]
3. click and a list appears with this data: Date of Departure; Date of Return; CVW (Air Wing #); Squadrons (Aircraft); Tail code; Area of Operations; Battle Group; Operations/Exercises; Ports of CallSorry, but your story and photo are not correct… unless you believe the USN is participating in the RN’s grand coverup so deeply that they are altering the records of ship & aircraft deployments!
I accept that that photo is authentic… and shows an F-4B (or J) on Hermes… AFTER May 1966!
I know the above post is 11 years old and I think someone said that Bager1968 no longer frequents here, however I own a book entitled ‘HMS Hermes 1959-1964’ by Lt. Cdr Tony Dyson https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Books/H-M-S-Hermes-1959-84/0907771165/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1486811472&sr=1-3&keywords=hms+hermes which is reminiscent of Neil McCart’s ship’s career books and alongside the photo of an F-4B Obi Wan Russell referred to is the caption: US Navy aircraft from the USS Ranger cross operate with Hermes off the Philippines in January 1963.
If the QE attends any south coast Navy Days this year eg Plymouth or Portsmouth, I’m going by hook or by crook.
Very sad news. A very remarkable man who held many records to his death. R.I.P.
I’ve just checked David Hobbs’ “The British Carrier Strike Fleet After 1945” and as I suspected, it was exactly 50 years ago today that the Cabinet formally agreed to cancel the CVA-01 program :stupid:. A moment of silence is in order :(.
Well its taken me nearly 8 years after the event to do so, but nevertheless thanks Rlangham for posting that, that’s exactly what I was thinking of :-).