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  • in reply to: Could a MiG-25 intercept a SR-71 ? #2561277
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    The development of the MiG-25 began in the 1950s, paralleling American efforts to develop a Mach 3 bomber and interceptor aircraft, including the (ultimately abortive) XB-70 Valkyrie, the XF-103 Thunderwarrior, the Lockheed YF-12, and the XF-108 Rapier. With the first Mach 2 aircraft beginning to enter service, Mach 3 seemed like the next logical step. A variety of roles were considered, including cruise missile carriers, and even a small five- to seven-passenger supersonic transport, but the main impetus was a new high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft and heavy interceptor. If a Mach 3 bomber were to enter American service, it would be nearly invulnerable to Soviet air defense.

    The Mikoyan-Gurevich OKB accepted the assignment effective 10 March 1961. Although the XB-70 Valkyrie was cancelled before the new aircraft, which carried the bureau designation Ye-155 (Russian: Е-155), reached the prototype stage, it seemed that the Ye-155 would still be a useful addition to the PVO interceptor force against reconnaissance targets like the SR-71 Blackbird. It was widely believed that the MiG-25 was developed in response to the XB-70. However, A. Belyankov, head of the MiG design bureau confirmed that this was not in fact the case.

    The first prototype, which was actually the reconnaissance variant designated Ye-155-R1 by the bureau, made its first flight on 6 March 1964. The prototype interceptor, Ye-155-P1, took to the air on 9 September 1964. Development, which represented a major step forward in Soviet aerodynamics engineering and metallurgy, took several more years to complete. In the meantime, several prototypes, under the cover designation Ye-266 (Russian: Е-266), made a series of record-setting flights in 1965, 1966, and 1967.

    As for the XB-70,
    In December 1959, the entire program was cut back to a single prototype. This wasn’t the last word on the matter, though, since big weapons procurement efforts acquire a momentum of their own, and by mid-1960 funding for the B-70 program had been restored to a level adequate for as many as a dozen of the bombers.

    On 1 March 1961, US President John F. Kennedy announced that the B-70 program was to be scaled back once more. Three aircraft would be completed, including two “XB-70” flight test prototypes and one “YB-70” operational prototype.

    Therefore, the specification and request for proposal (or the Soviet equivilant) was issued while the XB-70 was still a viable production program!

    And yes, the SR-71 (A-12 originally) was the result of a 1957 CIA request, with Lockheed recieving the order for the aerodynamic & prototype work in 1959 and the order for the first 12 on January 30, 1960… but as this project was a very secret one.

    You really have to give me references proving that the USSR had learned of it before March 10, 1961 to convince me that the E-155 was originally ordered to counter the Blackbird!

    Yes, there were more reasons than just the Valkyrie for the continued development of the E-155/Mig-25, but it was a major reason the project was started!

    Was the MiG 25 also developed to counter our own (British) Avro 770 supersonic bomber?

    in reply to: HMS Victorious #2048856
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    I didn’t realise that. Though upon thinking about it I can see why Phantoms and Buccaneers would have very different landing/take off speeds and that consequently the cats on Victorious and Hermes wouldn’t necessarily be able to cope. I did read where the Phantom could land at a sink rate of 24 feet per second for landing on at higher weights and steeper approach angles, and that when fully extended the nose-wheel leg confired the equivalent of an extra 11 knots of speed with the Wind Over Deck (WOD) effect.

    I’ve also read your post in the historic aircraft forum looking for info on Phantom and Buccaneer take off/landing speeds and I was wondering if this website would be useful:
    http://www.blackburn-buccaneer.co.uk

    in reply to: Raptor can now be sold abroad #2569175
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    As others have pointed out the F-15E and Tornado GR4 both need replacing. In Britain there’s been some talk of UAVs and increased orders for Typhoons and Lightning IIs but buying some FB-22s along with the US might not be a bad idea.

    in reply to: HMS Victorious #2049018
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    I do apologise Bager1968, I simply misinterpreted the expression

    so there was little loss of capability by “replacing” Vicky with Hermes.

    as meaning

    given that Vicky couldn’t operate Buccs, its not as if there was any loss of capability.

    I’m very sorry. Though I do think from reading various books and articles on the subject such as Paul Beaver’s ‘The British Aircraft Carrier’ that Victorious was better suited for jet ops than Hermes at least where Sea Vixen FAW1s and Scimitars F1s were concerned (1st edition Chapter 19 ‘Halcyon Days’ pages 200-201).
    On the subject of cats requiring lengthening and relocating the forward lift, I do see your point. One Idea might have been to relocate the lift to the deck-edge as in Hermes and thus extended the cats aft and rebuild the JBDs. The only problem with this is the unsufficient freeboard of the Carrier which prcluded the idea when it was first broached during the 1950-58 reconstruction.
    That said, it doesn’t get away from the fact that the Victorious operated both Buccaneer S1s and 2s. The latter weighing in at 62,000ibs to the Phantom’s 56,000. Also according to the book ‘Mcdonnell Douglas F-4K and F4-M Phantom II’ by Michael Burns, the dimensions of the Phantom are as follows –
    Wingspan: 38ft 4.9in
    Wingspan (folded): 27ft 6.6in
    Length: 57 ft 7.1in
    Length (nose folded): 51ft 8.6in
    The Buccaneer S2 according to ‘Jane’s All the World’s Aircraft 1967/68’ is as follows –
    Wingspan: 42ft 4in
    Wingspan (folded): 19ft 11in
    Length: 63ft 5in
    Length (nose folded): 51ft 10in
    I’m not saying Buccaneer ops aboard Victorious were as easy or safe as aboard Eagle or Ark Royal, or in the same numbers but they do suggest that with her existing facilities she could have operated Phantoms.
    On a sidebar note when Eagle operated Buccaneer S1s she also carried a detachment of Scimitar F1s to operate as tankers specifically to top the Buccs up following take off. With the coming of the S2 this wasn’t needed. Did Victorious have the same arrangement or for space reasons were they not carried?

    in reply to: HMS Victorious #2049105
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    She operated until 1967 when following a trivial fire after routine shipyard work, the government ordered her decommissioned. Many of her crew were transferred to HMS Hermes, then recommissioning.

    This was as result of 2 factors:
    1. The FAA had started acquiring Phantoms (F-4K/FG.mk.1), and Vicky was determined to be too small to be modified to operate them.

    2. This was just after the cancellation of the CVA-01 project, and the MOD had decided that long-range land-based strike aircraft (F-111K) would make carrier-based Tac-air unnecessary. The decision had been made to focus primarily on keeping the Ark Royal & Eagle in service, and the Hermes had just completed a refit that allowed her to carry the Buccaneer, so there was little loss of capability by “replacing” Vicky with Hermes (same types of aircraft, but fewer).

    Actually, Victorious could carry Buccaneer S2s just like Hermes. And like Eagle ‘Phantomisation’ would have (only?) required the following additions/alterations to her flight deck equipment, new Jet Blast Deflectors, Van Zelm bridle cathers, 4 direct acting arrestor wires and possible an AN/SPN 35 CCA radar. Removal of her remaining gun armament and replacing it with some additional extentions to her flight deck aft of the Island and possibly on the port-side aft of the overhang of the anged deck might have also increased deck parking space.
    Also there was serious talk of operating Phantoms from Hermes and that ship did cross-operate with US Navy F4s.

    in reply to: Javelin vs Sea Vixen #1266434
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    I can’t really say which was faster/more manouvreable but I can say that in its FAW2 version the Sea Vixen was equipped with Red Top. Even the FAW9 Javelin lacked this capability. However the Javelin carried 4 Aden 30mm internal cannons in addition to Firestreaks whilst the Vixen was a gunless missileer. From the standpoint of appearance I’d have to go with the later marks of the Javelin over the Vixen. I’d love to see a Javelin in 1960s/70s Royal Navy livery. A navalised Javelised FAW9 with the same air to air and air to surface armament as the Vixen but retaining 30 mm cannon would have been prefferable in my opinion to the Vixen.

    in reply to: Porta-aviones Argentino!!! #2053383
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    I was wondering. If the Argentines ever did build or purchase a carrier and high-performance warplanes to operate from it, what, if any impact would this have on the Royal Navy’s CVF program? Would it make it more likely that the’d press ahead in order to counter Argentina (who, lets face it have never given up hope of annexing the Falklands)?

    in reply to: Does anyone own this DVD? #1271263
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    The Play.com website also lists among future releases “Cold War Jets Of The Air Force”. This is due out in August and is described as follows:

    “Packed with rare and never before available footage, this title profiles the aircraft that made the Royal Air Force of the Cold War era such a formidable fighting force – the incredible V-Bombers, the Lightning Interceptor, the Canberra, Hawker Hunter, Phantom and later the Harrier. Highlights include the last taxi of Vulcan XH558 before it went into refurbishment, new footage of Vulcans and Valiants in America, stunning Lightning Firebird aerobatic team displays, 74 squadron taking delivery of the first operational Lightnings, air-to-air film of Vulcans testing and launching Skybolt, two Lightnings air-to-air refuelling simultaneously, newly found material of RAF Transport Command Comets, a Phantom QRA, early Harrier operations in Germany and air-to-air and in-cockpit footage of Jet Provosts training new pilots in the 1960s. There are also exclusive interviews with Valiant, Vulcan, Harrier, Lightning, Victor and Buccaneer pilots and crew.
    Packed with rare and never before available footage, this title profiles the aircraft that made the Royal Air Force of the Cold War era such a formidable fighting force – the incredible V-Bombers, the Lightning Interceptor, the Canberra, Hawker Hunter, Phantom and later the Harrier. Highlights include the last taxi of Vulcan XH558 before it went into refurbishment, new footage of Vulcans and Valiants in America, stunning Lightning Firebird aerobatic team displays, 74 squadron taking delivery of the first operational Lightnings, air-to-air film of Vulcans testing and launching Skybolt, two Lightnings air-to-air refuelling simultaneously, newly found material of RAF Transport Command Comets, a Phantom QRA, early Harrier operations in Germany and air-to-air and in-cockpit footage of Jet Provosts training new pilots in the 1960s. There are also exclusive interviews with Valiant, Vulcan, Harrier, Lightning, Victor and Buccaneer pilots and crew.”

    Sounds like another “must have”!

    Brilliant! I was wondering when that would be out on DVD. I’ll shortly be handing in my video copy of Jets of the Fleet Air Arm and replacing it with a DVD. Now there’s jet another thing to add to my must have list. Here’s hoping that Battle For the Skies (including the editions on the V Bombers and the Lightning) and the two-part Battlefleet about the history of the Navy are released soon.

    Incidently does anyone have Battlefleet on VHS? I know it comprises two volumes of double videos and each volume’s about 4 hours long with volume one covering the Navy up until either 1939 or 1945 and the second volume going up to the present day. Is it detailed? Is there much coverage of the postwar carrier force?

    in reply to: Does anyone own this DVD? #1272803
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    Just An Update

    I was in my local branch of Ian Allen Bookshop and noticed a second Look at Life military Aviation DVD. Most of the segments were the samr but there were no V-Bombers and there was a segment dealing with older planes biplanes and the like if I remember. I couldn’t find the DVD on Play.com but I know it exists because I held both it and the Cold War Jet in the shop.

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    http://www.revistanaval.com/imaxes/nuevos_proyectos_izar_02.jpg

    I want to know what the people on the carrier are hoping to do with that F-15(E?) flying in the foreground. 😀

    in reply to: Does anyone own this DVD? #1336596
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    Got this one a month ago. watched it about a dozen times so far. Truly amazing stuff.

    Every enthusiast/historians must have.

    Test Pilot 1961 Jimmy Dell with the Lightning
    Thunder in waiting 1960 The V Bombers
    Flight Deck 1960 Scimitars and Sea Vixens
    The Black Arrows 1959 111 Sqn Hunters
    Back Room of the sky 1963 A&AEE
    Jumping Jets Tripartite testing on Kestrel & Harrier
    The Skies the limit 1963 Aerobatics inc Redhills Tiger Club
    Air Umbrella 1960 NATO aircraft
    School for Skymen 1966 RAFC Cranwell.

    How long is each segment and which are in B/W and which in Colour?

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    The obsession with VSTOL is the major problem here. The politicos think that eliminating the need for arrestor wires, cats and the associated personnel needed to maintain and operate them make the design of CVF cheaper and easier. As far a I’m aware there’s currently only one viable supersonic VSTOL plane on the boards. If they went with s CTOL configuration for the carriers however they could have two or even three choices of plane and thus a far better bargaining position vis a vis the JSF (and yes I do know that the RAF is to get JSF as well as a Harrier GR9 replacement).
    I don’t think buying Rafale-M is likely as a plan B. You can imagine the reactions from the people behind the Typhoon about that. Given the amount of time between now and the in-service date of HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales, there’s plenty of time to develop a Naval Typhoon, and if it has sufficient commonality with its land-based counterpart, reduce the unit costs.

    in reply to: Harrier III? F-35B alternative fantasy #2565924
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    Its called P=1154 but due to interservice bickering and problems with something called Plenum burning in the engines which lead to shortcomings in performance as well as cost and deadline over-runs it was cancelled in the mid 1960s. Funnily enough, had it been built it would have been called Harrier.

    in reply to: Spitfire and Concorde in the final #1343693
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    I want to vote Concorde (and did so in prior rounds) but, this is supposed to be the Great British Design Quest and Concorde is Anglo/French.

    in reply to: Concorde for the RAF? (Zombie Thread from 2006) #1410457
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    I recently read a book – “The Backroom Boys: The Secret Return of the British Boffin”. It stated that Concorde was specifically designed to fly London – New York. Full, it could not fly Frankfurt – New York, and the need to increase wing area to accommodate more fuel and a greater aerodynamic lift was inpractical due to the constant need to “push the boundaries” with regards to materials and production methods. A bomber, therefore, would only have been capable of firing stand-off missiles.

    In short, concorde as a bomber would only have been practical if the target was in Western Europe ( assuming a UK basing).

    As a recon model… cool… but not really needed. By that time NASA was offering the UK free recon.sat. launches, and the images, while not 100%, mean’t that the RAF no longer needed to fly death-wish missions over the USSR to keep the US happy. The CIA also always shared what they knew with SIS, and in turn one would imagine the RAF would also benefit.

    As regards air-to-air refueling, again, I think while it sounds really nice.. the engineering and practicalities would have been a pig – reference the SR-71 KC135 relationship and the need to have a massive tanker network exclusively available.

    Another what if… 🙂

    According to Christopher Orlebar’s book “The Concorde Story” 6th edition page 192 there was supposed to have been a ‘B’ version of Concorde with various improvements, such as leading-edge slats, greater fuel capacity, extra engine compressor stage and no reheat with 25% greater range but the limited production run put pay to that. An order by Transport Command (and/or its French counterpart) for a transporter or by Strike Command for a strategic recce version might have extended the Concorde production run sufficiently for the improved version to go into production.

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