http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4827734.stm
Pakistan launches cruise missile

Cruise missiles can be targeted with pinpoint accuracy
Pakistan says it has tested a cruise missile for the second time.
The Babur missile is capable of carrying nuclear and conventional warheads and has a range of 500km (310 miles), a military statement said.

Pakistan had fired its first cruise missile last August and described the launch as a “milestone” in its history.

Cruise missiles are usually low-flying guided missiles. South Asian nuclear rival India had no comment on the latest launch.

Last year Pakistan and India agreed to give each other advance notice of future nuclear ballistic missile tests. The agreement, however, does not cover guided missiles.

Routine

Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf witnessed the test launch at an undisclosed location and congratulated the scientists involved, a military official told the AFP news agency.

“All phases of the planned trajectory were extremely successful and the missile impacted with pinpoint accuracy,” the military said in a statement.

India and Pakistan routinely test-fire their missiles.

Last March, Pakistan successfully tested a long-range nuclear-capable missile – the Shaheen II, with a range of 2,000km (1,250 miles).

The two countries have twice veered close to war since their nuclear tests in 1998 – over Kashmir in 1999 and again in 2002.

Both countries have limited command-and-control structures, and neither has developed the technology to recall a nuclear-tipped missile fired in error.

Pakistan all set to test cruise missile

From DILSHAD AZEEM
ISLAMABAD – Pakistan is all set to test-fire “Babur” cruise missile with its improved version in a day or two after completion of its successful laboratory tests, The Nation has learnt here.
“All arrangements have been made to test-fire the cruise missile on Monday. It will have capability to hit pinpointed targets from surface, warship or submarines,” the sources maintained.
The “Babur” missile will have a range of nearly 300 miles to hit the target either from a fixed location or the submarines.
“The laboratory tests showed cent per cent accuracy in the latest technology of the cruise missile,” the sources said.
“The Babur missile is prepared mainly for the submarines but it can also be fired from the fighter jets and have capability to chase the target in case of movement,” they disclosed.
In response to a question, the sources revealed that the cruise missile would be undetectable from the radar system before or after its launching to hit the target. “This is the latest technology in the world.”
Pakistan has already fired the first version of the “Babur” but its improvement is continuing as Islamabad continues to improve its defence capabilities.
http://nation.com.pk/daily/mar-2006/20/index5.php

F-16 MKI will be the most economical option but will india go for it when PAF already have placed a order for f-16s ?
IAF will like to go for some thing which USA will be using in next 10-15 years as frontline jet
And PAF and PLAAF will be facing a different jet then F-16(China with J10) for which they can train them self
AS far as TOT is concerned well USA record is worst upto now even UK is not happy
Good luck to INDIA :rolleyes:

Well the F-18 is a sure thing now. Its going to be the F-18 and the Mig-35. Keeps both Unkil and your traditional friend Russia happy. Would love to see the Rafale in IAF colours but that seems to be a remote possibility now.

U r right
F/A-18E/F looks to be the winers for sure for indian contract
but contract details are some thing which will be very interesting due to US record of TOT
MiG-35 is also a very Good choice and might get a smaller order to keep russians happy but in reality i dont think that it will fit indian requirments as IAF already have SU 30 MKI with TVC and they are not required to buy every fighter with this capability

Without BVR missiles, the capability of an F-16 block 52 that pakistan has bought will fall short of the capabilities of the latest BVR capable Mig-21 bison with the latest new aveonics, cockpit and weapons.

no offence friends 🙂

Did IAF tested Bison with R-77 for range more then 20km ever??????????

It’s $75 mil a piece at most. Your numbers are incorrect.

yes i think it was 6b$for 80 F-16E/F and 2-2.6b$ for weapons

Would such a price tag fit indian plans for a multirole aircraft that is supposed to fit between LCA and MKI (correct me if im wrong on this).

f-16 Block50/52 is good for that but F-16E/F Block60/62 or F-16E/F Block70/72 along with F/A-18E/F is just above every thing IAF can get now tec wise

Money is really not a problem for India. The stated budget for MRCA is $9 Billion. You do the math.

even if these 9b$ are just for planes then to they are not enough for 126 for 70/72 block plus time factor as IAF is looking to replace MIG21s out of service they can not wait long to develop a fighter with having risk of delays also as this 126 plane order is placed by IAF due to delay of LCA , as at time F-16 block 70 odd will be ready it will be same time at which LCA and Pak-FA is supposed to be ready for induction..

someone is offering you F/A-18 E and F, will you reject it outright?

:confused: :confused:

For aircraft N011M has a 350 km search range and a 200 km tracking range. The radar can track and engage 20 air targets and engage the 8 most threatening targets simultaneously. The forward hemisphere is ±90º in azimuth and ±55º in elevation. These targets can include cruise/ballistic missiles and even motionless helicopters. A MiG-21 for instance can be detected at a distance of up to 135 km. Design maximum search range for an F-16 target was 140-160km. A Bars’ earlier variant, fitted with a five-kilowatt transmitter, proved to be capable of acquiring Su-27 fighters at a range of over 330 km. In comparison, the advanced Kopyo radar found in the latest MiG-21UPG can detect small drone targets at a range of 50 km. Another radar meant for the Flanker family, Phazotron-NIIR’s Zhuk-MS radar has a range of 150-180km against a fighter and over 300km against a warship. N011M can withstand up to 5 percent transceiver loss without significant degredation in performance. Additionally the Su-30MKI can function as a ‘mimi-AWACS’ and can act as a director or command post for other aircraft. The target co-ordinates can be transferred automatically to atleast 4 other aircraft. This feature was first seen in the MiG-31 Foxhound, which is equipped with a Zaslon radar.

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/info-su30mki.html#8

on the other hand new f-16 block52 is equiped with the V(9) version of the AN/APG-68 radar .The V(9) version of the AN/APG-68 radar provides both improved air-to-air capabilities and air-to-ground capabilities. These include:
30 percent increase in detection range .ie range of areound150km?
Plus Mirage 20005MKII’s RDY2 have range of around 140 EL/M2035 offered for j10 have 148km
so their would be no advantage of long range detection but R-27 will certainaly gives first missile to be fire by SU30MKI

Shaikh Rashid Ahmed, Information Minister of Pakistan, Friday confirmed that the US government has formally informed Pakistan and Pakistan would be able to get most modern F-16s.

This is realy nice for PAF but what version of F-16 PAF will get?

Golden_Arrow Block 52s for sure.

Phase I: Buy old F-16s from the storage, and get them through MLU upgrades in the US. Mean while Lockheed Martin will conduct a MLU upgrade at Kamra in Pakistan for the current 32 F-16s.

Phase IIa: Buy 40 new F-16s that will be somewhere between Block 52 and 60

PhaseIIb: During the 3rd phase of delivery schedule PAF, is planning to place an order for another 50+ F-16s, thus the finances will be spread out over the period of 4 to 7 years.

PAF pilots have test flown the UAE Block 60 F-16s and were quite impressed with it for obvious reasons. I think one big difference we would see is PAF wouldn not go with the spine, rather the clean look of Block 52 F-16s.

After reading all this i am :confused:
so what version it will be and for how many PAF will go?{32 F-16MLU will be included in all deals}

1 F-16 Block 52
2 F-16 Block 52+
3 F-16 Block 60/62{as earlier it was also called F-16C/D}
4 F-16 Block –{somewhere between Block 52 and 60}
5 F-16 MLU {32+—old F-16s from the storage of USA/EU}
6 or combination of above