Yeah may be UAE will look at some new aircraft and feel that F-16E/F are not Super Advance anymore:rolleyes: just like what they are doing with the Mirage-2000-9s

On serious note, it will be Fc-20 that will join the F-16 C/D Block 52+

RBS-70, BAMSE and the alike is not regardes as an offensive system either. The argumentation for this is that they are used to protect national air space and not
for offensive raids. That’s what I meant with bypassing the laws using creative specification of the systems.

US cannot embargo the Gripen engine to countries it is ready to sell it’s own similair systems to, per an agreement signed in 1999 (or 2000? do not remember the date).

RBS-70 was sold to Iran by Singapore, not by Sweden.

Anyhow. Like Arrows said, lets go back to the focus of this thread.

Well thats what i am saying at that time USA wasn’t ready to sell F-16s to PAF so there was no chance that they would have agreed to sell engines and other weapons to Pakistan as part of jas-39 Package

Dont count on it. We have very strict laws regarding export of (offensive) weapons to dictatorships or “conflict countries” in Sweden. For good and for worse. Both UAE and the Saudis approaced Hägglunds to accuire CV90s some ten yrs ago, but the government put a stop to it on a very early stage.
Most W European countries (spare France) have these laws. But the regulations are especially tough in Sweden and Germany.
Some Swedish companies have compensated for this by smuggeling weapons through third party countries. Howitzers to India and RBS70 to Pakistan are just two examples. (Today India is regarded a fully democratic country, so all export limitations to them have been lifted).

So now India and Pakistan are no more in “conflict countries” list:eek: i wounder if these two are not in the list of “conflict countries” then who else would be?

Ever heard of Nuclear Triangle :diablo:

———–India

Pakistan…………China

They are trying their best to sell JAS-39IN to India which shows that not every thing is as people might like to believe

back to the topic

Its really interesting that Saudis will go for Saab-2000 AEW&C but then there are not many choices outside USA if you want to diversify. Wht is even more interesting is that they ordered only one Saab-2000 AEW&C which seems so unlike th kingdom’s attitude to words arms purchases

…The delegation of the Serbian Ministry of Defence was among the first foreign delegations that was shown the manoeuvrability of the Chinese multi-role combat aircraft J-10.

Really

how reliable is this news? i am asking because i think PAF would have not only seen such demonstrations but also test flown the aircraft as they seem very committed to the purchase of atleast two Squadron of improved J-10/Fc-20s:rolleyes:

With the Current MIDAS tanker won’t you need to first equip the F 16s with that refueling probe equipped CFTs ? The ones which are on offer for the F 16IN ?

I think all your points are valid but Maritime Strike is the most important, In past Wars PN was brushed aside easily and ports like Karachi blockaded, Block 52+ Harpoon will make sure it will not be as easy in a future conflict. Especially as IN currently lacks a bit in fleet air defense.

How 29Ks fare against Block 52+ will have a big impact on future Indo Pak conflict (hopefully there will be none!)

Unfortunately so far PAF is not shown any interest(Which i think they should) new conformal air refuel tank system for F-16s to make them capable of talking fuel from IL-78. There are rumors that PAF might buy few old tankers capable of refueling F-16s but given the current budget constraints it doesn’t seem possible atleast not in near future.

F-16 C/D Block 52+ with AIM-120 C5 and Mig-29K with R-77

well lets just say that a lot will depend upon the Pilot skills

JF-17s are already being displayed with C-802A with range of 180 Km and we can imagine that in future Fc-20 will also be equipped with that missile for maritime support. Both these aircrafts can be refueled with IL-78.

i think that main purpose of purchase of the IL-78 tanker/transport aircraft is to support the PAF’s future fleet of JF-17s of which PAF is looking to acquire more than 250.

JF-17s will be equipped with this capability before the end of this year and till then 30 Mirage-III Rose-I will be upgraded with in-flight refuelling probes of South African origin at PAC kamra.

I have a feeling Pakistan’s factory is too busy trying to meeat PAF demand. I have a feeling they will be coming from China.

This is a joint venture project and both nations will get their part of share from the exports. PAF will like nothing more than export earnings as this will help them in financing future versions of the JF-17 Thunders

seeing these pics of the JF-17, the JF-17’s similarities with the IAR-95 design of the 1970s is quite striking..with the exception of the DSI intakes the layout of the wings, fuselage, nose are all very similar, and even the LERXes that were added on later. Its almost like a copy of that design..

one more image

did China get the blueprints for this design in the early 1980s after it was cancelled by Romania ?

Just because some drawings of IAR-95 have some similarity with the JF-17 pictures does not mean that both projects have anything to do with each other.

IAR-95 was bigger heavier and was to have more powerful power plant

As anyone can see that there is nothing common in these two aircrafts

IAR-95 Specifications

Length: 16 m

Wingspan: 9.3 m

Height: 5.45 m

Wing area: 27.9 m²

Empty weight: 7,880 kg

Max takeoff weight: 15,200 kg

Powerplant: 1× Tumansky R-29-300 with afterburner
Dry thrust: 81.4 kN
Thrust with afterburner: 122kN

Hardpoints: 9 in total (6× under-wing, 2× wing-tip, 1× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 3200 kg

JF-17 Specifications

Length: 14.0 m

Wingspan: 9.45 m

Height: 4.77 m

Wing area: 24.4 m²

Empty weight: 6,411 kg

Max takeoff weight: 12,700 kg

Powerplant: 1× Klimov RD-93 turbofan
Dry thrust: 49.4 kN
Thrust with afterburner: 84.4 kN

Hardpoints: 7 in total (4× under-wing, 2× wing-tip, 1× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 3,629 kg

French JF-17 Deal Could Anger India

….Graw-Hill Companies.

Last time I checked India wasn’t even able to stop Russia from (from exporting RD-93) which it buys arms worth billions of dollars each year.

So will France drop a deal with Pakistan air force when it has little chance of winning MMRCA?

As far as USA is concerned, USA itself is providing similar advance weapons so on what grounds they will raise their objections?

For first batch Chinese were able to defeat GRIFO-S7 radar and we all know that they will be competing for the second batch and if French aren’t able to offer superior technology it would be hard for them to compete with china on price