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September 9, 2007 at 6:26 pm in reply to: P-47 Thunderbolt #1271029

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Thunderbolt

Many thanks for the replies. I have considered the aircraft mentioned and dismissed them due to various factors. Still searching and hopefully will come up with something.

November 26, 2006 at 7:56 pm in reply to: Liberator EV902 #1293607

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KL654

Jason, et al,
With regard to the outlining of the registration on the rear fuselage, when I first saw the photographs I did voice my concern that the RAF may not accept it becuase you cannot clearly read it in the original photograph. I must admit that after a few tries at enhancing it I do believe that you can see most of it, but this may be imagination. I am sure that the photograph I obtained of KL654 may help further (Jason has copy) as it clearly shows the markings for 356 Sq.,, the ‘R’ motiff and the registration ‘L654’.
The MHG are making another visit to the aircraft in December and will try to get some engine mumbers, and after collating all this information I hope to present a case to the RAF in January, let’s see what happens!

June 29, 2006 at 10:21 pm in reply to: Liberator EV902 #1315796

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Albatross,
Yes Bob is THE expert on Liberators and I have also contacted him on numerous occasions regarding them, but the problem with KL654 is what the RAF will accept as proof that the wreck is KL654. They have been presented with photographs of the wreck with the ‘R’ suffix and rejected it. The problem with the latest photographs is that they show the registration after it is outlined, but it is not clear on the photographs taken prior to this. I am not being a stick in the mud but can see what the RAF may require. In saying that I now have a photograph of KL654 taken a few days before the crash and it clearly shows the ‘L654’ part of the registration and the ‘R’ sufix. Maybe now the RAF will accept this as proof.

April 19, 2006 at 10:37 pm in reply to: Liberator EV902 #1322011

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Shaharom,
Now I have egg on my face, after my last post I searched the forum and found the photograph I was referring to and it was from your expedition. Any chance you could contact me regarding sending the proof to the RAf to have it declared a war grave?

April 19, 2006 at 10:16 pm in reply to: Liberator EV902 #1322038

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Shaharom – today I received a picture from Robert Quirk which clearly shows the registration on the wreck of KL654. I have a few reservations as to whether the RAF will accept this as proof, but we are still trying. As yet I do not know the source of the photo.
Joe Anderson

November 4, 2005 at 11:05 pm in reply to: Liberator EV902 #1421922

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EV902

Matt and Albert thank you for the quick replies.

Re EV902, I carried out some research on this aircraft for John Fitzgerald of St Catherines in Canada and intend to make a model of the aircraft which I will deliver to him next year as a memorial to his brother who was killed in the aircraft.

Re KL654, I was one of the original researchers for Gary Fowkes regaring the history of British Liberators, and assisted (in a small way) Jason Togneri in identifying KL654 from the photographs and details from his first expedition to the aircraft. I have also obtained a photograph of the aircraft which was taken a few days before it crashed but as it only shows the motiff ‘R’ on the fuselage the RAF Accident Board wont accept this as proof to have the wreckage declared that of KL654, thereby allowing closure for the families of the crew. If you check Jason Togneri’s web site I am listed as a contributor.

As an aside I am an amateur aircraft historian and act as a specialist for Air-Britain (Historians) dealing with aircraft losses.

November 1, 2005 at 9:14 pm in reply to: The Battle of Britain #1426011

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Battle of Britain

I have been reading this thread with interest as I recently re-read The Narrow Margin (for the upteenth time) the author cetainly makes out a good case that the Germans were intent in invasion, and after the failure of 1940 actually considered re trying in 1941. The invasion of Russia stopped this idea. Just as an aside I am heartily sick of people classing what happened as the attempted invasion of England, or the English fighting off the evil Hun. As far as I can gather Fghter Command, at that time, was made up of people from virtually every nation on the Earth and the invasion was to be of Great Britain, you know that island made up of England, Scotland and Wales and I think we were all getting it if the invasion had gone ahead as they planned(although I would imagine that Northern Ireland may well have been next!). I am by no means a nationalist but get slightly fed up with Britain being classed as England in such books as The Guns of Sugust, and numerous American television programmes and books.

March 4, 2005 at 4:32 pm in reply to: B-17's used in the film "The War Lover" ! #1421284

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The War Lover

Came a bit late to this but – three B-17s were flown in from America to take part in the film: 44-83563 (N9563Z0, 44-83877 (N5232V) and 44-83883 (N5229V). Only N9563Z returned to the USA. The other two were damaged during filming and to save the cost of repairs, and the fact that import dutie would have to be paid the the UK Government if they were to stay in UK longer than the time period specified, they were both scrapped. The belly landing B-17 by Paul Matz was done for the film Twelve O’clock High. Just as an aside the low flying sequence where Steve McQueen buzzes the airfield was actually done, not a camera trick – now that is flying.
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