on a related note..some would argue the advances in unmanned drones and weapons, takes the ugly out of war, and turns it more into a video game

[QUOTE=plawolf

IIRC, the Su33 outranges the Mig29K (by how much I’m not sure). Either in pure AA or AG config, the flanker has better range, this means that the Kuznetsov could try to stay within a certain range braket from the Vikramaditya so that the distance is just within the flanker’s strike range but outside that of the fulcrums. Under such circumstances, there can only be one winner, and at worst a draw if the defenders can down enough flankers.[/QUOTE]

a good question would be.. how much CAN the Su-33 take off? This was a subject of great debate for many, as some argued that the STOBAR configuration limited the heavy Su-33 in its payload and fuel load, while the MiG-29K could take off with more.

quick question:

does India still produce MiG-21 under license? If not when did production stop?

It will not…cos once chinese get together their act ,they r unstoppable. Which is what the chinese r doing now.The determination and courage of the Chinese is the answer and not any other thig.

Every country on their way to power bound to have some obstacle and this can be one of them,it will not stop China but slow down the pace abit. Time will tell,10yrs later.I going to dig out this thread and prove u correct my judgement! By then China may already overtake Japan as number 2 already! 😀

lol, talk about insecurities. People can boast all the want but the current circumstances in the world as well as those in the future, will unlikely breed further super powers simply because most places in the world already went past peak oil production and the Middle East is reaching there. China unfortunately, does not enjoy the same luxury the US and Western Europe had in in the 50s-early 70’s when it was cheap and seemingly abundant. This doesn’t apply to just China, but every country in the world. Further more the olympics mean nothing.. China did not have a strong showing in the winter olympics (but they usually do in the summer ones).. and any athletic accomplishment should be attributed to the athletes themselves who worked at it, rather than the nation.

thank you friend~~will it be possible there exist two designs of novi avion?one just look like refale,another look like j10 as the above pic show?

you’re right, there’s two different pics. However from what I read in the past, the “Rafale” looking one is the more accurate of the two models.

Why China will be a superpower in coming future and why it rises so fast…
True courage and determination of Chinese
http://www.cbc.ca/olympics/stories/n…all060213.html

what does links to olympics have to do anything?

from this picture
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Images/Gorshkov4.jpg
i count 20 MiG-29Ks and 4 Kamovs.. looks congested already! Real life might have less MiG-29ks and more of other assets imho.

for Kuznetsov:

Fixed-wing
12× Sukhoi Su-27K
4× Kamov Ka-27LD32
18× Kamov Ka-27PLO
2× Kamov Ka-27S