But one other factor against the Ka-50 is that it is not cheap. Personally I’d go for a mix of Mi-28Ns for night ops and Mi-28As for less intensive daylight only ops and keep some Ka-50s for naval use and special ops.
Of course once special ops had made an announcement (perhaps to show the Kamov was being used to improve export potential) I very much doubt they would keep the public informed as to when they will get them and to what purposes they will be used. We don’t even get that from regular AF units let alone special operations units.
is the unit price also not cheap? are the rotors the primary reason for the larger maintenance difference?
If only a limited bombing campaign is trully intended then it could be carried out tomorrow by B-2s, B-52s and assets already deployed in the theatre. In theory, there would be no need for a long and obvious build up. A longer, more sustained and intense bombing campaign is clearly another story.
yes but keep in mind:
five-day bombing campaign against 400 key targets in Iran, including 24 nuclear-related sites, 14 military airfields and radar installations, and Revolutionary Guard headquarters.
At least 75 targets in underground complexes would be attacked with waves of bunker-buster bombs.
you would need more than just B-2s and B-52s I believe. And given five-days, it should be enough time for the Iranians to put up some more defenses over suspected targets.. thus perhaps requiring other specialized aircraft to defend the strikers/bombers.
Im sure they have a plan for various scenarios and may ultimately never resort to them (which I think will be the case here).
But assuming if they do. How many aircrafts will be involved? something like this would seem to require alot of aircraft being sent all over Iraqi and Kuwaiti air bases (assuming any of the host nations will even allow them to do this).. and probably alot of carriers to be called in.. and it would be pretty obvious to anybody when you start seeing a bunch of career fleets, what will happen next.
What is the reason behind this requirement?
many air forces do this too. it’s a fact that a taller person experiences more G forces affecting him during tight turns.
from the standpoint of the crews actually flying the things.. definitely the B-52.. and I’m sure the Bear crews would wish they were in those too.
makes sense.. the Su-27 would offer better loiter time for patrols (especially offshore oil rigs) than a Gripen. Although I do wonder why they don’t consider F-15s unless price is a real factor.
Interesting news, any pictures?
trying to find some đŽ
seems like most of their navy is using stuff of western origin rather than Russian, which is pretty much the only type they use in their army and air force
its horrible and too complicated looking. If they really wanted to show Euro pride, how but just one star, done. nice and simple
I just read that the UK was funding research into a AEW&C version of the Merlin Helo………………. :rolleyes: Does this mean that the RN won’t purchase the E-2D Hawkeye from the US? đŽ
can a helicopter really offer the same coverage as the Hawkeye? :confused:
Well, the E-2’s are secondhand (used car) from Israel. While the Flankers would be new bulit BMW 7 series! That said, as I stated before I personally don’t think 8-10 Su-27’s would be a deal breaker. Yet, if that number goes up? All bet’s are off……………………… đ
FLY NAVY đ
i bet it was quite a bit hard to find a Russian car to compare the Su-27 with đ “Buying Flankers would be new built Ladas”.. just doesn’t sound too impressive
Central Asia
Caspian deal a step closer
By Sergei Blagov
MOSCOW – The decade-long dispute over how to divide the oil-rich Caspian Sea may be settled soon, claims Russia, although statements by some Russian officials indicate that Moscow still views itself a bit more equal than the other four littoral nations.
The legal status of the inland sea could be agreed “within a year”, Russia’s deputy foreign minister and Caspian envoy Viktor Kalyuzhny announced on Thursday, speaking on the sidelines of a meeting of the special Caspian envoys of the five littoral states in Baku, Azerbaijan.
The meeting between the representatives of Azerbaijan, Russia, Iran, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan “opened the way towards solving the Caspian problem”, Kalyuzhny was quoted as saying by the news agency RIA.
The other littoral states appeared to echo Russia’âs optimism. A draft convention on the legal status of the Caspian is now being viewed positively by all littoral states, Azerbaijani deputy Foreign Minister Khalaf Khalafov said. The issue has been contentious since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.
Until then, the sea’s status was regulated by treaties between the Soviet Union and Iran. But the break-up of the Soviet Union led to the creation of three new independent states bordering the Caspian Sea: Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan. All of those countries now seek a share of its wealth.
Naval forces
Meanwhile, Moscow has raised fresh objections against new borders, naval forces and underwater pipelines in the Caspian. Russia is against setting up maritime borders in the Caspian as it would contradict the Kremlin’s idea “to share the seabed but not the water itself”, Kalyuzhny said.
Kalyuzhny also stated that Moscow no longer supported Kazakhstan’s plans to create national naval forces, Kalyuzhny announced. No new military forces are needed in the Caspian, he was quoted as saying by RIA. The Russian-backed draft of the convention implies that the Caspian Sea should become demilitarized.
However, Kazakhstan declined to accept Moscowâs rebuttal. Kazakh deputy foreign minister Kairat Abuseidov stated that his country needed a naval unit to combat terrorism, the drug trade and illegal migration.
Russian objections to the Kazakh naval plans came as a departure from Moscow’s previous supportive position. Last year, Russian officials suggested that a joint military force, including Russia and Kazakhstan, be created to safeguard Caspian security. Moscow also pledged to supply Russian military hardware, including one naval vessel, to Kazakhstan at Russiaâs domestic prices.
In August 2002, Russia held unprecedented naval exercises in the Caspian Sea, with the Russian Caspian flotilla’s 60 vessels, some 10,000 servicemen and 30 aircraft taking part. About 3,000 Kazakh servicemen or roughly all country’s naval personnel took part in the exercises, which involved joint action with Russia’s Caspian Flotilla.
Russia’s Caspian flotilla has been a force for coastal defense and waterways patrol. Following the division of the Soviet Caspian flotilla in 1992 between Moscow and Baku, Russia kept three quarters of the naval vessels and personnel based in Astrakhan.
The Kazakh navy is based in Aktau and Atyrtau ports in the eastern and northern parts of the Caspian. Kazakh naval forces include some 3,000 personnel, armed with 10 imported coast guard boats and five smaller vessels.
Tehran was prohibited from having a naval force in the Caspian Sea, according to treaties between the USSR and Iran. However, in the wake of the Soviet collapse, Iran has been reported to want to turn its Caspian ports into naval bases.
Officially, Turkmenistan has no naval forces at all. However, Turkmenistan reportedly procured 20 patrol boats from Ukraine. Turkmenistan has 20 Ukraine-built patrol boats, as well as one US-built vessel. Unlike Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan owns naval facilities in Baku as well as a quarter of the former Soviet Caspian flotilla. However, Russia reportedly acquired the best vessels.
No to pipelines
Apart from insisting on its dominant military role in the Caspian, Russia also suggests that any Caspian deal should protect Moscowâs oil transit interests. “We view the construction of pipelines through the Caspian negatively,” Kalyuzhny told the meeting in Baku, adding that Russia would seek a pipeline ban as part of a future convention on the Caspian Sea’s status.
Kalyuzhny said that Moscow would seek to ban pipelines along the bottom of the sea, an idea detrimental to a US-backed project to send Caspian oil to the Turkish port of Ceyhan. Kalyuzhny cited environmental reasons as the main argument for banning pipelines.
Construction on a pipeline between Baku and Ceyhan began last year, and the first oil is scheduled to flow through it in 2005. The Kazakh port of Aktau, across the sea from Baku, is to be linked to the pipeline by an underwater line. The pipeline, which would circumvent Russia, is backed by the US as a way to improve access to Central Asian oil.
Caspian dispute
According to treaties in 1921, 1940 and 1970, Iran controls just 13 percent of the Caspian sea and is poised to benefit greatly from equal division. After 1991, Iran suggested that the Caspian should be divided equally, with the five littoral states each receiving 20 percent of the sea. Russia, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan support the so-called middle lines division principle, which would leave Iran with the smallest part of the Caspian.
Turkmen President Saparmurad Niyazov is yet to change his opposition towards bilateral Caspian deals. Moreover, Niyazov is reportedly due to travel to Tehran on March 10, presumably to discuss a joint position on the Caspian.
In the wake of a series of bilateral Caspian deals between Russia, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, widely seen as an alternative to an overall agreement of all five Caspian littoral states, last October Kazakhstan floated an idea of a trilateral agreement in the oil-rich region, backing the Russian plan of “median line” division plan as a “just solution”.
Kazakhstan is set to become a major beneficiary of the so-called median lines division principle, which would leave it with the largest part of the Caspian. Iran and Turkmenistan would be the losers of the median lines division principle.
In recent years, there have been repeated moves to resolve disputes over the Caspian Sea. In May 2002, Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Kazakh counterpart Nursultan Nazarbayev signed a bilateral agreement on how to divide the northern Caspian. The deal implies that three hydrocarbon fields divided by the median line, Kurmangazy, Central and Khvalynskoye, would be exploited on parity basis. Last October, Putin and Azerbaijani President Geidar Aliyev signed a border agreement on defining the sea border between their respective Caspian sections.
Defense deals
Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov traveled to Baku earlier in the week to clinch a bilateral arms trade deal with his Azeri counterpart Safar Abiyev. However, Ivanov pledged “not to sell destabilizing weapons” to Azerbaijan.
Ivanov dismissed talk of Russiaâs long-standing bias in favor of Azerbaijanâs foe, Armenia. No evidence has been found so far relative to allegations that in 1993-1996 Russia supplied Armenia with arms worth of US$1 billion, Ivanov was quoted by RIA as saying.
Ivanov also met Azeri Prime Minister Artur Rasi-Zadeh to discuss Russiaâs Gabala radar station, which is located in Azerbaijan. Russian media outlets have speculated that Moscow might want to use Gabala to monitor the US war on Iraq.
However, despite improving bilateral ties, Azerbaijan is yet to side with Russia completely. The littoral states “are independent in issues relative to safeguarding their security”, Khalafov told journalists in Baku.
Presumably to illustrate the countryâs independence from Russia, on February 26 an Azeri court convicted three Azeri citizens of spying for Russia and sentenced them to 10-11 years in prison. The men were found guilty of providing the Russian military intelligence with information on the deployment of troops and military equipment in Azerbaijan. Prosecutors also accused them of providing information on Azerbaijan’s oil pipeline routes and situation around the Gabala radar station.
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KAZAKH NAVY GETS CUTTERS FROM GERMANY.
The fledgling Kazakh Navy received 4 coastal defense cutters from Germany on Monday. Officially established in mid-August, the Navy had consisted of 7 small craft from the U.S. and two made in Kazakhstan. Its main base is at Aktua (formerly Fort Shevchenko) on the Caspian Sea. (Kazakh TV, October 14 1996)
more news on the Kazakh Navy

50215-N-2805L-019 Persian Gulf (Feb. 15, 2005) – Commander, Naval Forces Kazakhstan, Rear Adm. Komratov Ratmir Alimkhanovitch, speaks with Commander, Carrier Strike Group Ten (CSG-10), Rear Adm. Mike Tracy during a visit to the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75). Carrier Air Wing Three (CVW-3) is embarked aboard Truman and is providing close air support and conducting intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance over Iraq. The Truman Carrier Strike Group is on a regularly scheduled deployment in support of the Global War on Terrorism. U.S. Navy photo by Photographerâs Mate 3rd Class Lilliana LaVende (RELEASED)
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Senior Kazakhstani Military Official Visits U.S. 5th Fleet
Story Number: NNS050218-07
Release Date: 2/18/2005 12:04:00 PM
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From Combined Forces Maritime Component Commander/Commander, U.S. Naval Forces Central Command/Commander, U.S. 5th Fleet Public Affairs
MANAMA, Bahrain (NNS) — Kazakhstan Rear Adm. Ratmir Alimkhanovitch Komratov, commander, Regional Command West completed a visit to 5th Fleet Feb. 18 in Manama, Bahrain.
Arriving Feb. 13, the admiral met with Commander, U.S. Naval Forces Central Command/Commander, U.S. 5th Fleet Vice Adm. David Nichols and members of the 5th Fleet staff, toured 5th Fleet and Naval Support Activity, Bahrain spaces, was introduced to the MK-6 Marine Mammal System, and visited USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) on station in the Persian Gulf.
The Central Asian nation has been working to strengthen ties with its neighbors and contribute to the international community. The purpose of Komratovâs visit was to discuss four programs: training, information exchange, finance, and military equipment, said Komratov.
âWe have a long tradition of military cooperation with the republic of Kazakhstan almost dating back to its independence,â said U.S. Army Maj. Ted Donnelly, chief of the Office of Military Cooperation in the Republic of Kazakhstan, who was escorting the Kazakhstan delegation. âMost of our cooperation to date has been between the Army and the Air Force, and Kazakhstanâs equivalent forces. Military cooperation with the Kazakhstan Navy is relatively new, so weâre discussing areas where we can expand our cooperation in the future.â
More than 200 Kazakhstan naval officers have now received some form of training in the United States. U.S. 5th Fleet is exploring a variety of additional training opportunities.
âWe discussed different types of maritime assessments,â said Donnelly. âKazakhstan, as a new country and with an even newer navy, is looking for different ways that 5th Fleet can assist with determining the needs of their navy, and with possibly assisting with some of those needs in areas of education, exercises and different types of training.â
Komratov showed particular interest in aircraft carrier operations.
âI was very impressed by the skillfulness of the pilots taking off and landing on Truman aircraft carrier,â he said. âI was also surprised by the calm and peaceful atmosphere on the carrier. I saw friendly faces everywhere.â
Komratov said he was also very impressed with the good intentions and wishes the Sailors showed toward Kazakhstan, and added, âI would like them [5th Fleet Sailors] to come back home in very good health conditions, safe and sound. I would like to wish peace to their homes and their state.â
Kazakhstan is nearly four times the size of Texas and borders Russia, China, the Kyrgyz Republic, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and the Caspian Sea. Its navy conducts the same missions as navies all over the world.
âToday, Kazakhstanâs navy is engaged in protecting the maritime economic zone and the territorial waters from acts of terrorism and sabotage,â said Kazakhstan President Nursultan Nazarbayev in a January 2004 interview with French weekly Le Nouvel Economist. âMoreover, the navy provides assistance to law enforcement bodies and others protecting the environment, as well as the people, natural riches and resources, and participating actively in rescue missions at sea.â
During his visit, Komratov was exposed to the coalitionâs Maritime Security Operations (MSO). MSO is the most significant component to maritime counter-terrorism operations. Designed to detect, deter and disrupt international terrorist organizations use of the maritime environment, MSO also helps to set the conditions for security and stability. MSO includes maritime interception operations, engagement with regional militaries, protection of key infrastructure nodes, detecting and deterring piracy, and assisting mariners in distress.
Well, let me put it in laymans terms. :rolleyes: Let’s say you are a car salesman. Your neighbor next door has lost his job! You feel sorry for him and get him a job at your work! Further, he has no money for food and no car to get to work! So, besides the job. You provide transportation and food. (i.e. for his family) Then sometime later he gets back on his feet. He needs a new car and he buys one from a competitor down the street! đŽ I don’t know about you. But, if I was the Saleman. I mite take alittle offense by that! Surely, he has the right! On the otherhand the salesman will never offer to help the man again! đĄ
it’s not like they’re buying only from the competitor down the street. Their E-2s, and other stuff are still being bought from your lot. Its like buying some Ford Focuses for your everyday commute, and a big Nissan truck for other stuff.
Can’t believe there’s such a thing as “Kazakh Navy”.
you better believe it, almost all the countries bordering the Caspian Sea have some kind of Naval flotilla. Couple years ago, Iranian ships were intruding into Azerbaijan’s claim in the Caspian sea, which led towards Turkey sending some F-16s in response.
There’s alot of oil there, alot of disagreements over maritime borders, a new pipeline in Baku to which Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan will ship their oil to, and alot of illegal caviar trade that requires some security!
Then here comes the JF-17 T4, though the red color of the wording seems odd to me đ
its red there, but dark grey in the pic above. perhaps some one photoshopped it red to make it more noticeable