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  • in reply to: Hudson landing – What Happened To "Mayday"? #574585
    JEJeffrey
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    Slippery Sam’s post takes us back where I began this thread – it echoes my own views entirely. From everything else that has been said by contributors to this thread, it seems that:

    a. MAYDAY is indeed in the vocabulary in the US, but just isn’t used very much, for reasons which aren’t clear to me. (Maybe this is more of a military/civil difference than a US/UK one?).

    b. It wouldn’t have made a lot of difference in this case, because the crew could obviously tell from the controller’s responses that he understood, sympathised, and was on their case! (But I still think the other aircraft on frequency were a potential distraction, though I don’t know enough about the circumstances to judge whether that could have been headed off).

    c. One possible reason an explicit MAYDAY call was not made is that the crew were very, very preoccupied with priority #1 – FLY THE AIRCRAFT. We can all approve that principle, I hope. That doesn’t mean it isn’t a useful tool that ought to have been deployed, at least in the ideal world. That’s the world that Sully didn’t have the luxury of living in for those few minutes.

    NTSB have raised a similar point in other reports. I just wonder if they will feel diffident, in this high-profile case, about making what some might see as negative criticism; I hope not. More likely, they will stick to their professionalism and say ‘Mayday would have been a good idea (though it wouldn’t have made a whole lot of difference in these specific circumstances)’. That will be the cue for volumes of hysterical reaction from non-flyers, most of it missing the point of the second part of the sentence. But that’s just me showing my prejudice about journalists!

    in reply to: Hudson landing – What Happened To "Mayday"? #576720
    JEJeffrey
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    Yes, I’m sure that it was busy (!) in the cockpit, and I didn’t intend to make a major criticism by poiniting out the lack of a MAYDAY call. (I speak from a limited but sympathy-provoking experience – just one 4-engine flameout in 36 years, and quite different from this one: A. It was copilot finger-trouble that did it B. We had plenty of altitude to sort it out, and C. It was in the simulator).

    But I still wonder if the NTSB (it’s their job to be wise after the event, after all) will make anything of what appears to have been a lot of extraneous chatter on TRACON frequency, and whether a clearer declaration might have buttoned that up. I’m just interested to hear the views of currently-practising professionals.

    in reply to: Any pilots please tell me #431434
    JEJeffrey
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    Be very, very careful about feeding in a bootful of rudder at high alpha / low airspeed. If you haven’t worked through spin recovery / aerobatics, the after-take off checks would not be a good time to start.

    Other than that, the advice given in the earlier replies is sound for types of the size, weight and performance that are relevant to most of us in PPL flying. Don’t expect the same success on anything with significant sweepback, or that has major roll-yaw coupling – you can get some effects (including pitching ones) that really surprise you.

    The only case I have heard of where ailerons weren’t available in practice was a Fleet Air Arm pilot who is supposed to have catapulted off with wings folded. I don’t know if he landed the jet safely or not, but in any case this sounds a lot like urban myth to me!

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