21AnkushI am currently working on a derivative of a legacy aircraft and even though it is touted as being a New Generation aircraft, quite a bit of its systems and parts are retab, meaning legacy. considering that this company can afford to re-work systems and parts only because of firm orders and a strong financial situation, and considering how this is not very true of MiG, I have little doubt that the MiG-35 is hardly a new aircraft from inside, but retains quite a bit, if not most of the systems developed for the MiG-29K and the MiG-29M2, which in turn must have quite a bit of similarity with the MiG-29A from the inside. after all, it is quite costly to rework and recertify parts/systems and unless there is a steady source of funds, it’ll be a stop-gap affair. and the lack of domestic support is what has hurt MiG the most.
so from an airframe point of view, I doubt there is anything very new on the MiG-35, as compared to a MiG-29K but from an avionics point of view, it will definitely differ significantly, considering that there isn’t even a flying prototype that is fully representative of the MiG-35. and MiG is on record as having stated that if it doesn’t win in India, it will still keep the MiG-35 on its product line, hopefully securing some other export sales since the Su-35 will surely use up most of the funds available for RuAF requirements.
21Ankushafter some few old articles of 2003 there has not been any new reports of Mig27 engine upgrade
thats not true. on this very forum, you’ll find a set of pictures from strizhi.ru that showed a demo MiG-27 flying with the AL-31 turbofan. seehere
so, Russia did the required modification and it even flew the MiG-27. in that sense, the engine upgrade proposal for the MiG-27 was as far ahead, if not farther, as the Jaguar, where it was only demonstrated on the ground (AFAIK), with ground engine runs to demonstrate feasibility.
21AnkushThe LWR/MAWS on the MiG-35 will have an equivalent counterpart on the MKI which is in the works – the DRDO is waiting for a development program to finish with a foreign OEM which fields state of the art hardware in this respect. The system will clearly be superior to the MAWS on the MiG-35. As a datapoint, the Avitronics suite as on the Su-30 MKM is considered behind whats being developed for the IAF’s fighter fleet.
are you referring to the EADS/DRDO MAWS as mentioned in the report below ?
New Delhi, Feb 19: A missile warning system, being jointly developed by the Indian Defence Avionics Research Establishment (DARE) and European defence and aerospace consortium EADS for the Indian Air Force, will be tested in the next four months.
“The deliveries are complete, the integration tests in DARE’s multi-sensor self protection suite have already been conducted and will be tested in several platforms. The tests will be terminated in the course of the next four months,” EADS’ Head of Communications Theodor Benien told PTI in the ongoing Defence Expo here.
The partners are developing jointly the missile warning system based on EADS’ proven warning sensor MILDS AN/AAR-60 and integrated into the existing multi-sensor warning system of the Indian armed force.
As part of the agreement, EADS in a first step is delivering 36 sensors for further integration and development.
“India is a priority country for EADS offers market potential and solid aerospace and defence competences. This project is a clear signal of commitment to India, not only as a market but also as an industrial partner.
“EADS and Indian government are poised to strengthen their cooperation in the highly sensitive field of electronic warfare,” he said.
The MILDS AN/AAR-60 is an advanced, passive imaging sensor which detects and tracks the UV emissions of approaching missiles, including the most prevalent threat of heat seeking shoulder launched Man Portable Air Defence Systems (MANPADS).
The system provides full coverage, a low false alarm and maximum warning time to enable the deployment of counter- measures such as chaff/flares. With a very low false alarm rate and fast detection combined with automatic initiation of counter-measures, MILDS AN/AAR-60 relieves the pilot’s workload in time critical situations and ensures the safe return of both crew and aircraft.
The sensor has been sold in more than 5,600 units across the globe and is in service aboard a huge variety of rotary wing and wide body aircraft, a version of fighter aircraft is under development.
21AnkushThere is no racist comment in my post only a description. Also you guys can go totally off tangent and submit post against other religions, ethnic groups and countries but when others respond you go crying to mommy.
such posts are seen a lot on PakDef..and maybe you ought to go there and write it because you’ll find a lot of like-minded individuals who’ll praise you for your thoughts..out here, the Moderator will decide whether what you wrote was racist or not..and if they think its not racist, I guess I’ll start replying in words similar to yours.
21AnkushFor what concerns the Qatari deal with India, the Indian purchasing process has some (big) flaws (look at the trainer and helicopters)
Regards
No one will deny that Indian bureaucracy will delay most weapons purchases for its armed services, and that allegations of corruption will mean that there will re-tendering and new competitions, but this particular one was not so..the aircraft were inspected by the IAF, and their recommendations were made to the MoD..the MoD then came up with a offer of $375 million for those Mirages and it was rejected by the Qataris as being insultingly low. Since then (2006) they have yet to find a buyer for those Mirages.
21AnkushPorbis i.e. bengalis, madrasi, oudhis, mahrattas, orrisians, Tamils etc. are ethnically, culturally, physically, religiously different from Punjabis, Kashmiris, Baluchis, Pushtuns and even Sindhis. There are no similarties and never was. Don’t delude yourself. India is not a country and never was. The likes of you want to identify with people from what was Western India under the British and is now Pakistan because it make you feel good about yourself. People from what is now Pakistan are martial races, they enjoy fighting. Its in their blood. If they are not fighting and invading other countries they fight among themselves. No big deal and nothing to be aplogetic about. Porbis are clerks, pencil/key board pushers. That is why British loved them and now the Americans. They are good diligent workers, they are subservient, they are cheap and are not seen as a threat. If there is country that the American President, the most powerful man in the world, has nightmares about is Pakistan. Says a alot of about Pakistan – think about it and worry.
As far as America controlling Pakistan. Maybe it is the other ways round, for half a century Pakistan has exploited and blackmailed Americans for money and weapons to keep Indians at bay. In fact it this that ensured Pakistan survival after its creation. Americans couldn’t control Pakistan from going nuclear and pursue its very independent relationship with China and much more.
this is the most overtly racist post that I’ve seen on this forum for a while..the moderators ought to look at what this guy is contributing and look at all his posts to see that he has just one track and that his discussions have NOTHING to do with the IAF.
21AnkushLCA PV-5 twin seater first flight soon..
Express News Service First Published : 26 Jun 2009 08:19:03 AM ISTLast Updated :
BANGALORE: The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) programme has achieved another significant breakthrough as its final prototype vehicle PV-5 will soon take to the skies. The PV-5, one of the five prototype vehicles developed by the Aeronautical Development Agency is ready with the Engine Ground Run currently being carried on.
Defence Research and Development Organisation sources told Express that the Engine Ground Run for the PV-5, a two-seat trainer prototype is currently being carried out, before it can be certified to fly.
“The Engine Ground Run precedes the low-speed taxi trial and the high speed taxi-trials, following which the first flight of the aircraft will take place,” said sources. “Once the weather improves the taxi trial will be carried and so will the first flight of the PV-5,” sources added.
Unlike the other four prototypes (PV-1, PV-2,PV-3,PV-4) and the two technology demonstrator (TD-1 and TD-2) aircraft, the PV-5 apart from being a two-seat trainer version of the LCA will be identical to the fighter.
It will be fully combat capable and could be used in that role.
The LCA has completed 1,141 Test Flights successfully as on June 25.
ADA, the technology development agency for the indigenous LCA programme, hopes to get the Initial Operational Clearance before being inducted in the IAF by 2010. IAF plans to have seven LCA squadrons.
21AnkushYou mean Nick_76, who is going by Teer now???
Thanks Abhimanyu for the lead:cool:
says Buraidiah, who despite being thrown out numerous times keeps re-registering and appears only on this thread to try and ruin it..:rolleyes:
21AnkushI am surprised you were not called a troll or suspected pakistani!!! Coz only these two questions:rolleyes:
because he is known here for his constructive posts..unlike trolls like you who get banned, come back under a new name and stay active with negative trolling posts ONLY on IAF related threads..your nationality isn’t under suspicion. :rolleyes:
21AnkushI know that atleast, they are afterall border states.
you’re so obviously unaware of the geography of Gujarat and Rajasthan from this one statement..Jamnagar is hundreds of kms from the border with Rajasthan..stop BSing.
Still waiting, if someone can clarify what it means by “Kaveri has met original design goals”.
After burner Thrust???
Its weight??
the Kaveri K9+ engine met the dry thrust requirements that were set up as per the original ASRs. however, that is in the range of the dry thrust that the F-404 can produce, so its considered inadequate for the new ASRs that caused a weight creep, as well as the weight being over original design intent.
21AnkushLCA bomb dropping trials with more details, courtesy of K Mehta of BRF and these were published in The Journal of Aeronautical Sciences of India
Image courtesy ADA
21Ankushhttp://www.dassault-aviation.com/fr/aviation/salon-du-bourget-2009/videos.html
what a fabulous display ! the Rafale is obviously very maneuverable, and the slow speed nose pointing ability was amazing ! I’ve seen a F-18 do some great slow speed nose pointing and this was just as good..and the instantaneous turn rates were very impressive..
21AnkushFrom Livefist blog
IAF An-32 Avionics Upgrade Detailed
LiveFist has learnt that the avionics of the An-32 will be replaced with an IAI-LAHAV-ELTA developed package, including a full glass cockpit with standard multi-function displays (MFDs) and a control display unit (CDU).
The LAHAV-ELTA avionics package that will go into each IAF An-32 includes a digital moving map, full NVG capability, in-flight mission rehearsal options, head-up display for both pilots (the IAF is still to communicate the the consortium if it wants HUDs for both pilots, one pilot, or none at all) and a significantly new advanced electronic warfare system (EWS), which will feature radar warning receiver, the fourth generation EL/M-2160 missile approach warning system, laser warning receiver and conventional countermeasures. Flight safety features being incorporated into the upgrade will include an advanced Terrain Avoidance Warning System (TAWS) and an Enhanced Traffic Collision Avoidance System (ETCAS), with options for a specialised weather radar.
the blog has pictures of the cockpit as it will look after the upgrade. all in all, a very comprehensive and badly needed upgrade for the workhorse of the IAF’s transport fleet.
21AnkushNo it won’t. Qatars Mirages were between 6 & 8 years old, with flight hours to match, & were offered with all their weapons, as well as spares stocks.
yet, they were second-hand. India offered what it thought those Mirages were worth..had they been worth more relative to demand, those Mirages would’ve found a customer long ago..
would Pakistan have been able to pay any more than $350 million or close to the $650 million that Qatar expected for 12 second-hand Mirage-2000-5 fighters with spares and weapons ? not without some soft loan or financing and that doesn’t even include any costs of setting up infrastructure for a totally new type of fighter.
did Brazil even bother to look at those Mirages ? no, they went and bought cheap although heavily used, Mirage-2000C as a stop-gap..Peru ? no way they could cough up that amount for 12 Mirages..Greece wasn’t looking to buy any Mirages and Egypt wasn’t either. Taiwan’s experience with Mirages and France indicates that they’d most likely not want any more.
India was the likeliest customer and offered a price that seemed alright when you take into account that the cost of a direct-supply brand-new Su-30MKI was around $45 million. it would be hard to justify to bean-counters as to how second-hand (even with 75-80% of TTL intact) Mirages, spares and weapons were worth nearly $60 million each..
in hind-sight, going for the replacement of the entire Hunting Hawks (no.24) Squadron Su-30K/MKs to Su-30MKIs for a cost of only $290 million and the additional 40 direct-supply Su-30MKI for $1.8 billion was a good decision, as compared to paying $650 million for 12 Mirage-2000-5s.
this pricing conflict has stalled India’s upgrade plans for its Mirages as well, with Dassault asking for a ridiculously high amount. The 63 MiG-29s upgrade contract was signed a lot faster because the cost quoted was only about $750 million as compared to nearly $1.5 billion for the 51 Mirages upgrade and the upgrades are comparably significant in terms of capability change after the upgrade.
in fact, when looking at the guesstimated price of the UAE 60 Rafale buy, and the cost of the upgrade for the 50 IAF Mirages, that alone makes me wonder whether the Rafale would be affordable at all for the MRCA.
21AnkushThanks for the post Abrahavt..
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