Would hardly describe the SAL Pioneer and Piston Provost as Milestones of Flight, but then perhaps the markings say it all.
Must admit I thought the Pioneer had been quickly and quietly put back into British markings though after it’s brief sojourn for refubishment ( with an original intent of it going on loan to the Middle East) in the MBCC at Cosford
Does remind me that “Storm Front” by Rowland White is a cracking read though………………..
I think it is a Neptune. There was certainly a Neptune in the yard on a later visit.
Looking at pictures of RAF Nepture MR 1s – in retrospect the wing looks too far forward for it to be a Neptune
http://p2vneptune.com/i06.shtml
I wonder if it is a Buckingham or Buckmaster
What’s the nose section far right? – Is it a Buckmaster or something – or is it from the A20 Boston/Havoc family – or is it a Neptune?
Just saw this item thats up for auction on the 31st by Dreweatts of Bristol, lot 274.
Bob T.
How do formerly restricted official files like that get on to the open market? It’s the sort of document that should be in the Museum of Army Flying archives.
look what happened to Flak Bait in the NASM
http://airandspace.si.edu/explore-and-learn/multimedia/detail.cfm?id=1472
a pilot boat has also been painted in a dazzle scheme in Liverpool
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/gallery-world-war-dazzle-ship-7246865
It is pretty aviation related given it probably has Hurri type magneto switches!!
……and WO also designed the BR2 rotary engine which powered the Snipe and Salamander. – Good enough for me………
Is there a list anywhere of the aircraft (mainly fuselages) which survived in Poland? I know there is a Fokker Spin in Holland and the RAF Museum DH-9A that came from there, as well as the ones remaining at the (thoroughly excellent) Krakow museum.
I wonder whether the most accessible and accurate list is in Veteran and Vintage Aircraft by Leslie Hunt. I have a well thumbed 4th Edition (c 1974/5) which lists 23 airframes (or partial airframes) which survived the bombing.
I suspect that’s probably the best source – particularly as at that time (1974) I don’t think any of the airframes had been dispersed and they remained in closed storage. For instance the list in V & V Aircraft still includes that DH-9A which subsequently joined the RAFM and the Fokker Spin.
thanks for your responses – that’s really helpful
Tighar can go off and do their digging somewhere else.
I echo Nick’s sentiment; the P.38 is fine left just where it is.
Anon.
jdging from the photos seen on here recently I fear for it’s future if it’s left where it is open to the elements and souvenir hunters
[How would a Spiteful fare in such a desireability content. Presumably it’s rarity would be a key factor in countering the lack of interest in late mark Spitfires – but then again an airworthy 20 series Spitfire is pretty rare and that hasn’t done anything to seem to make them any more desireable.
Seems eminently sensible given the reasons quoted – ie multiple aircraft of same type already recovered, types likely to be recovered already well represented in national collections, backlog of restoration of Lake Michigan recoveries etc
It a decision of the moment – there’s nothing in this decision that can’t be reversed should the specific circumcustances change. The unrecovered airframes remain out of harms way in suspended animation
In the meantime perhaps any available resources could be directed towards the recovery (finally!) of a TBD Devastator
British aircraft were required to carry Union Flags from 2nd October 1914 to which were added roundels (or more properly the French “cockade” -which was introduced in 1912 along with requirement for the tail to be painted in the same colours) from 11th December 1914. The French national cockade had been seen on French uniforms since revolutionary times. The British cockades were of course in the reverse order to the French colours. The fin flash was adopted by British aircraft in June 1915. Presumably the British adopted the French practice to give a common appearance across the allies and avoid what has come to be known as “friendly fire”
I would have thought that the French fin flash started simply as a representation of the French flag on the only vertical surfaces of the plane and simply grew to cover the whole surface. We saw similar with the Britain’s initial use of the Union Flag on the vertical tail surfaces. The French initially only used the cockades on the wings and not the fuselage
Heard some of the traders at Duxford today complaining about the time it took to get out after the event – two hours was mentioned…………………
I would hope that you are allowed to rescue the FAAM example from the brink – perhaps in that case melding as much original material as available “Bluebirdteamed” – (that’s a new verb – to Bluebirdteam : to restore historic machinery using only original material re-worked as required) with a minimum of new build. After all the FAAM have set a sort of precedent – repainting the Martlet fuselage whilst retaining the original paintwork on the wing.
With a bit of luck, there’s enough Skua material to complete two airframes with a minimum of new build.