It was indeed involved in a fatal accident but the damaged airframe was recovered to the UK and is now being converted into the first Tr.16 as G-PBIX for Pemberton-Billing LLC by Airframe Assemblies at Sandown
as the Tr XVI never “existed” before- does this bring certification issues – or as the XVI was a IX with a Packard Merlin and there were Tr IXs built is this not an issue?
Bumping this old thread as I’d like to pick people’s brains again please!
Can anyone give any help please with the type of switch in the top right of this photo? It would appear to be about an inch square in the panel, with a short black lever. The switch controlled the water brake on Bluebird, up for up, down for down, and a central resting position as seen here. It may not even be aeronautical- it could be from a car for all we know- but, anyone?
Also, generally, do individual gauges have their own manuals?
The rebuild of Bluebird is going very, very well indeed by the way!
Could it be a Lucas type 31788 automotive switch?
http://www.thexmod.com/item_detail.asp?id=1402
seems to have the same square front plate and black toggle. Not sure about the up – resting -down sequence but I suspect that the number of terminals means that this is a possibility.
The other possibility seems to be a (?) Lucas (?) type 39330
http://www.thexmod.com/item_detail.asp?id=2591
it looks as if stocks are limited though!
good luck!
Erm…..you don’t suppose Altsel is really TIGHAR do you? 😉
Funny you should say that
A is 19 letters behind T
L is 3 letters in front of I
T is 13 letters in front of G
S is 11 letters in front of H
E is 4 letters in front of A
L is 6 letters behind R
add the numbers together and you get 6, which is also the number of letters in TIGHAR and ALTSEL. 6 is also the day of the month on which the plane crashed and is the first two numbers of the plane’s serial number.
Bit fishy methinks…………….
The aircraft is at Scolt Head Island is Blenheim I L6641, forced landed
6th Jan 1940.Paul
Will it be at Legends and what colour will the underside be painted?
Will the Chinese be making 10 copies of it for a film made about the force landing, and where will the copies end up after filming?
If they fit motors to the copies and taxy them fast enough will they take off?
If they take off, will the airfield owners ask us not to post pictures?
Don’t try any fast taxis with it, Graham :diablo:
You people on this forum are so hilarious. A week ago many of you were arguing that the film was dead and buried. Now you’ve seen one of the replicas and you’re already farming out the film props to UK, US and European museums, repainted and modified to your tastes. Why do you make assumptions that they will even leave the collection that owns them? All very presumptuous once again I think.
if you don’t like the heat stay out of the kitchen
Ha ha
“No descriptive data is held by DVLA for registration number BRA36B”
either
probably got the cup size wrong then
It is 40 years ago now!
But it was definitely BRA chest size/cup size – one remembers these things at that age!
I think that you’ve made a boob……………..
But getting back to the serious point, a Bulldog instructional airframe at Repton School is a new one to me. The only two of which I am aware are the anonymous Rugby School “pond filler” and the one which was with the Northampton 5F (?) ATC Squadron. Perhaps, Jeepman, if you scan and post the image from the Repton School old boys magazine, it might help on the identification front.
I remember there was an article in FP a while back on ATC/OTC Intructional airframes and I certainly remember there was a Tutor at Worksop College. There was no reference to Repton IIRC
Unfortunately I don’t have a scanner but to be honest looking at the picture there is nothing that give the remotest of clues to its’ identity. It is a front 3/4 view with the lower wing hiding where the serial block would be. There is no serial visible on the lower wing.
Interestingly have just found a connection between the Bristol Aeroplane Company and Repton. The Commercial Manager (and later Joint Assistant Managing Director) was W R Verdon Smith who was schooled at Repton. I wonder if he was the source of the Bulldog. The fact that it was engineless perhaps suggests a test airframe of some sort. There would surely be no need for Jupiter engines to be stripped from old airframes for re-use during 1940/41
Well done Elliott
Seems a shame if the original RAFM tail cannot be amalgamated with your project to create a whole in due course.
Hopefully common sense might prevail if the result of your work was a complete front 2/3rds completed to museum standard.
BBMF TE311
And twin mid-uppers…..! Everyone knows that.
That was intended as a gunship to supplement the bombers own armament during the run in.
There was a problem though – before the bombs were dropped it was too fast because it didn’t have a bombload. On the weay it was too slow because of the weight of the extra turret – so the whole idea was droped – along with an upkeep or two
And one on Deep Sky and the Fortress
In the same issue of Scale Aircraft Modelling, a letter from Dave Fleming comments on Fortress Mk I colour schemes. The colours were described rather accurately by Michael J. F. Bowyer in his book Bombing Colours 1937-1973. The book is long out of print, but is based on colour observations made by the author himself. Fortress Is are said to have worn a Dark Green/Dark Earth/Sky finish, with medium grey codes, until late June
1941. Before operations started in July, the Dark Earth was replaced by a dark grey shade and the codes became Sky. At the beginning of August 1941, the aircraft’s undersurfaces received a new colour. Quoting Bowyer: ‘It was Azure Blue, which became the standard colour until their withdrawal from European operations …. although over their period of service I managed to see all of 90 Squadron’s aircraft, I never at any time saw any in the supposed Deep Sky finish, and none after July wearing brown-green camouflage’.Claudio Narduzzi, via e-mail
Except for the fact that the original Boeing production drawings quote “Deep Sky Blue” – see the website below for the drawings and the picture on that website is surely a factory shot .
Brings a whole new meaning to “Reach for the Sky” doesn’t it
Did the Syrians use Sky Type S? :confused:
Dunno – can’t you pop over there and check – those Mk22s are still waiting in the desert to be rescued……………….
Along with the Syrian PzKfw VI Tigers
Can we talk about late war Luftwaffe Colours now – specifically the non existent “RLM84” colour which everybody says is the same colour as Sky (or should that be Sky Type L – for Luftwaffe)
And how about this one as well
http://www.network54.com/Forum/149674/message/1239906340/RAF+Dark+Earth-+two+diferent+shades–
surely not.