Think of the Spitfire and you think of Alex Henshaw
Could there be a better epitaph?
John – where was it in Worksop?
I’ll nip round tomorrow and see if it’s still there
Finders keepers!
Could it have been instructional at Worksop College – I think they had a Tutor at one time – or could it have been disposed of via RAF Worksop?
the Camel was refurbed by Skysport before it was hung in the new IWM atrium. They reintroduced many of the specific 2F1 Camel features lost in previous refurbs – like metal struts but i don’t think they were allowed to replicate the light blue finish originally found on the undersides of this particular Camel. That light blue was actually still present on parts of the airframe under several coats of paint. This is despite what Lt. Culley had himself said in confimation of the light blue finish
I think the BE was refurbed at Dx some time ago – i remember it in the Superhangar
Here’s the website for the Canadian Fokker
Presumably somebody thought about the initials……..
sorry – couldn’t resist………..
I think the QM is still round the back somewhere at Newark Air Museum, which is where IIRC the combination was originally displayed
It’s still berthed at Long Beach
Was this the one that was displayed, dismantled, as a load on a Taskers Queen Mary trailer for a number of years?
As a relief from attempting to identify Jennys and verify their authenticity (thanks for all the help and leads lads – keep them coming!). I have spent a lot of time trying to verify the authenticity of the JASDF MF11 on teh French list. I am beginning to believe that we should wipe this one off, I had no luck emailing them about it and I can no find no trace of it at the following museums that display aircraft:
Kanoya Airbase Museum
Hamamatsu Airbase Museum
Sasebo JMSDF Museum
Kakamigahara Aerospace Museum
Nagoya Airport Aerospace Museum
Yasukuni Jinja Yushukan
Tachiarai Peace Memorial Museum
Chiran Peace MuseumUnless anyone can positively identify this airframe as still extant I believe that we should strike it off the list. Can anyone find this plane?
the second edition of Bob Ogden’s Asia listings refers to two Farmans in Japan –
National Science Museum, Tokyo exhibits
Farman MF -11 serial 266 – ex Tsingtao raid/Tohuko University/Yasukuni Shrine
Kotsu Transportation Museum, Tokyo exhibits
Farman HF7 (no serial listed) – first aircraft to fly in Japan
However, both Ray Rimell and Leslie Hunt (in the 4th edition of Veteran and Vintage Aircraft) make reference to the stored Shorthorn at JASDF Hamamatsu City. This was apparently taken to the USA post WW2 for evaluation and was returned to the care of the JASDF in the early 1950s
I have added some more aircraft to the Blériot list – must admit that I had no idea that there were so many around. I think that this is now about as good as I can get it – so any suggestions for additions or deletions would be gratefully received. In particular I am not sure if the Munchen or Lucerne machines are “the real McCoy” or not…
There a Bleriot XI in the Powerhouse Museum in Australia
and ummm………….
Is the most famous Bleriot XI of all – the Cross Channel machine itself – listed? It was/is at the Conservatoire National de Arts et Metiers (CNAM) in Paris. Presumably this is c/n 1
Dubendorf Nieu 28 607 and Lucerne Nieu 28 688 are both original
Brazilian G3 640 is original, Nieu 21 is a replica
Just gone through my copy of the Ogden volume on South America and he lists the following. I have only listed originals and some we already have discussed
Argentina
Museo Nacional de Aeronautica
Nieuport 28
Brazil
Museo Aerospaciel, Rio
Caudron G3 640
Ecuador
Air Force Museum
Hanriot HD1 (Macchi-built)
Mexico
Air Force Collection
Talleres Nacionales de Constuccione Aeronaticas Series H (Parasol type – built 1916 – fitted with bomb racks and machine guns)
Peru
Air Force Museum
Ansaldo SVA5 “Cusco”
Uruguay
Museo Aeronautico
Morane-Saulnier A1
Venezeula
Historic Flight
Caudron G3 – ex Salis includes original parts
Ray Rimell also lists an Ansoldo SVA10 as being in store with Museo Nacional de Aeronautica in Argentina listed as identity “13164” – this is not corroborated by Ogden
Aeritalia has an Ansaldo SVA9 “13148” ex Herbert Fyfield in USA
Russian types list
(nice and short this one……………..)
Anatra DS 11120 Prague Technical Museum
Grigorovich M5 (seaplane) Turkish Air Force Museum
Humph……………
Can’t even keep the whole (National) collection at Hendon viewable all day. (What would be said if you could only visit half of the IWM, V&A or Science Museum at a particular time?)
and then they trumpet when they manage to (gasp) regularly open the GW Hangar for half a day and the BoB Hall for the rest of the day, rather than keeping the GW Hangar locked for most of the time.
Somethings I’ve always found curious
1. Why are there never any adverse comments in the comics?
2. prior to it’s opening, I’m sure we were told that the Conservation Centre would be open for public viewing – hence the viewing gallery – and yet now it’s only open for pr-arranged groups of 20 or so – which presumably have full access to the shop floor without the need for a viewing gallery anyway
Waiting for the “well you do better” comments………….
:
Ansaldo SVA-5
11720 ???, Genoa
11721 Museo Storico dell’ Aeronautica Militare Italiana, Vigna di Valle
11777 Museo Gianni Caproni, Trento
There another SVA-5 in Peru I think
The JASDF Farman may have moved to a different Technical Museum – I’ll check my copy of the Asia Ogden tonight
Umm………
Doesn’t it have some sort of legitimate right to be in the Millstones of Flight Hall as the most produced combat aircraft – well it and the Il-10 added together anyway…………..
Coastal Command codes
the Coastal Command Alpha-Numeric codes – which reflected a particular aircraft in a particular squadron at a particular airfield were replaced in October 1943 due to confusion caused by the system – with raids rostered from squadrons on more than one airfield there might have been, for instance two aircraft 2-G on a single raid.
They were replaced by the standard system – which they had originally superceded.
Presumably Beaufighter XCs were Coastal Command configured MkXs without the torpedo gear.
I must say that I am two minds whether we ought to include the FE2b or not, as it appears that the nacelle was never actually a part of a contemporary aircraft, but a “virgin blank”. However, if it retains the original material after restoration it has a greater claim to inclusion than some aircraft with a continuous history, and of course what other FE2b with any kind of claim to authenticity is likely to appear, as well representing an important ‘missing link’ in fighter design.
Don’t think theres any question of not regarding it as a legitimate survivor – especially when it’s finally completed and in the GW Hangar…..
It is of contemporary construction by an original manufacturer and presumably only a quirk of fate prevented it from sprouting wings and entering service – be that that the contact was terminated early or it was used as a pattern for series production. Whatever – it was built by the original workforce, using original materials, on original equipment, to original blueprints – that makes it more of a survivor than many of those listed
And if we say it’s not legitimate because it doesn’t have an military identity – neither does the Alcock & Brown Vimy. I also suspect there’s more original material than in the Dolphin………..
To also fill in some blanks
Junkers J7(D1) at Le Bourget is D5929/18
Army Museum in Vienna has Albatross B1 20.01
Swedish AF Museum have Albatross SK1 (licence built B.II)
Tech Museum in Vienna has Fokker DIII (ident unknown)
AWM Pfalz is 2600/18
The blue halberstadt CL.IV (Reg D-71) is now at Deutches Auto-Museum at Schloss Langenberg
Warsaw DFW C.V is C17077/17
Warsaw Roland D.VIb is D2225/18
Prague Tech museum has Hansa-Brandenburg D1 fuselage 28.68