i think it is too much of a coincidence that the Little Rock Arkansas Camel is according to Ogden marked as B7270 (- see my earlier post)
I suspect Hunt’s listing of the Idaho/Florida Camels is a double count
Happy to be proved wrong as it would significantly increase the world camel population!
You missed the Saxonwold and Wright-Patt SE5a(e)s listed above
?heinz varieties?
been doing some digging
References
WW1 Survivors – Ray Rimmell
Aircraft Museums etc of the World Vol 6 – USA SE States – Bob Ogden
Veteran and Vintage Aircraft – Leslie Hunt
Position seems to be:
F1 Camel
F6314 RAFM Hendon
B6291 (G-ASOP – ex Desmond St Cyrien – current location?)
B5747 Brussels Air Museum
B7280 Krakow
N6254 (USCAR Reg – true identity reportedly lost) (listed by Ogden as being in Little Rock, Arkansas marked as B7270)
2F1 Camel
N6812 IWM Lambeth
N8156 Rockcliffe
Ogden lists A5658 as a replica
Does this help?
few more
B5747 – Clayton & Shuttleworth built – Brussels museum
(?) B6291 – “70% original” – (Middle Wallop?)
“N6254” – Original – identity lost – ex Jarrett/Aeroflex was at USMC Museum Quantico (probably the one now at Pensacola)
Identity of Krakow Camel is B7280 – ex Berlin
has anybody followed the ongoing debate between the Bluebird project people and the HLF about the restoration of K7? It’s very much germane to this discussion. It recorded step by step on the diary pages of their website
In the end they seem to have given up and are striking out on their own with the help of a number of organisations known to us.
Incidentally it looks as if they also have had some good publicity today on the 40th anniversary of DC’s record attempt
Bruce
Aston Publications published World War One Survivors by Ray Rimmell a number of years ago – may still be one of the best resources around. It lists all WW1 suvivors across the world.
Isn’t the ex Patrick Lindsay SE5E stored somewhere in this country according to the latest W&R
Whilst not seeking to relive or extend this debate, it does seem strange, having probably gone to great lengths and expense to fully and properly restore the airframe – eg right fittings, right switches, right instuments, right seat, right junction boxes, right control column etc etc, then to swerve the last hurdle and not complete the inate “rightness” and authenticity of the restoration/recreation by finishing the last “layer” of the restoration ie the paintwork to the same high authentic standards as each underlying layer. (Sorry that para has a high Fog Index)
An authentic scheme costs no more than a scheme likely to create comments for the wrong reason – just perhaps a few hours or even minutes of research.
Nothing that I say challenges somebody’s right to paint their own property as they wish. it is merely an observation. I guess I’m talking about the colours and the way in which the scheme is applied rather than the scheme itself. Think CAF FM-2!
brodie system
there has been something in one of the magazines about the Brodie system in the recent past. It was linked to an article about the restoration of an L4 with the hook
It was possibly Air Enthusiast or Aeroplane Monthly
Perhaps someone could point you in the right direction – I’ve had a quick trawl through AE and couldn’t see anything standing out – but I know I’ve seen something quite recently – there is an article out there
HTH
Obviously to gain the correct CAA certification these pigs will have to contain a certain amount of new build material, and I have it on good authority that these are methane powered Hampden pigs which are 89% pork, and equipped with the optional extra, water, salt, sodium phosphate, sodium nitrate , sodium erythorbate and sugar injection booster pack.
if they’re Hampden pigs they will only be restored on one side anyway
Edit – fell for that hook line and sinker didn’t I , Ian
Mind you Herefords are Hampdens with Dagger engines
In formation with two flying pigs.
Are those original, substantially restored original, reproduction, replica or new build pigs?
Is this company run by Hasegawa? :p
Given the furore over on Hyperscale or Modeling Madness at the moment, it might perhaps be more appropriate to query whether the company is run by Dragon:diablo: If you think the discusssion about Butcher Bird colours over here has been heated – just don’t ask about rivets on Mustangs over there …..
And certainly don’t mention it to Dragon as they’ll set a blogger on to you and issue internet rebuttals calling you a nit-picker and rivet counter………..
ps I’ve just bought an Fw 190 A-8 and I’m going to paint it in a totally authentic scheme with the correct mottling. (It’s made by Eduard, it’s in 1/48 scale and it’s bloody amazing. )
Some of the recent furore has been caused when the real world and miniature world collide – but as Robert Mikesh said in Restoring Museum Aircraft – modellers are an important information resource for museums and restorers. Much of the research of colours – be they German, British or American (particularly export colours) has been initiated by the guys who make small plastic replicas.Again i quote the Champlin D-13 as a fine example
BMW801s
the engine in the RAF Museum’s 190 2-seater was restored to running condition whilst it was in the Museum at St Athan but I guess it was inhibited when it moved to Hendon (like most of us…………………)
I am sure the Flying Heritage Collection early model 190 A will have an original BMW801 engine – which presumably will be airworthy
Query – anybody know if the FHC 109/190/162/163/262 are to be flown?
is it a rebuild around an original VIN plate?
Prior to the painting (about 20 years ago) of MAM’s Meteor F.4 EE531 after a lengthy restoration, research was carried out and drawings prepared by Maurice Butler. I believe a conclusion was reached that no RAF F.4s with camo had squadron codes on (unlike the, later, all silver scheme). Was this correct? – The F.3s (and earlier) had codes but I don’t recall ever having seen a photo of a Meteor F.4 in camo with codes.
Roger Smith.
given that the first of the F Mk 4s was a conversion of an F Mk III, it is inevitable that it (and presumably other aicraft from the same contract converted on the line) retained the DG/OG/MSG Day Fighter scheme. However, by the time the production F.Mk 4 aircraft were being delivered to squadron service, AMO A.413 promulgated 15th May 1947, had changed the DFS to overall Aluminium. 222 Squadron, the first squadron to use the F.Mk 4 on operations did not receive their aircraft at Tangmere until December 1947, so the absence of photos of squadron service aircraft in camouflage is understandable.
It seems however that the Danish F.4s were finished in a Dark Green/Dark Sea Grey/Light blue grey scheme to the same pattern as RAF F Mk I/IIIs