If I remember correctly…
You don’t.

We can’t use them, they’re stuffed in some hanger collecting dust because our lovely, loyal, caring, trusty thoughtful American friends won’t give the source codes to us so we can fly them. Beautiful trusting people, aren’t they…
This is insulting to me as an American, especially considering how off the mark you are on the procurement. A lot of people screwed up here and most of them don’t hold US passports…

That was only something I heard not long ago to be honest, wether its true or not, I don’t know. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was IMO.
It’s not true. You need to do some fact checking in the future before touching the keyboard.

Yeah, it can’t possibly be because your MoD botched the procurement beyond all recognition. :rolleyes: It’s likely that America is still trying to get back at you for…something, I guess.

Your MoD tried to save some money by doing the software integration themselves, but couldn’t and then just wanted Boeing to hand over the source codes.

I work for a software company. You don’t hand over your source code lightly and you don’t do it for free.

You’re the first person I’ve run into that’s tried to spin this as Boeing fault. Do a little bit of research. Your own government has called it, “One of the most incompetent procurements of all time.”

Wikipedia alone would have told you all this in seconds.

Americans started Wikipedia though, so I wouldn’t expect you to trust it.

Here are a few BBC & Times articles from the past few years, however, since the sad history of this debacle has been well-known by most for some time.

BBC: Chinook blunder ‘left RAF short’
Times: £500m ‘wasted’ on Chinooks that have never flown
Times: Missing software kept Chinook Mk3 helicopters in Wiltshire hangar

Cheers,

Logan

…but I see no reason to exclude ARM Netzahualcóyotl (D-102), originally commissioned as USS Steinaker 26-05-1945, or ARM Commodore Manuel Azueta, originally USS Hurst (30-08-1943), or ARM Nicolás Bravo (USS McCloy, 1961) – or much of the rest of the Mexican navy.

Yes, that depends on how “frontline” you consider them, as I’ve read they’re primarily used in more of a training role now and have had some armament and gun directors removed, although I’m certain they’re still “combat capable” if necessary.

When we say oldest here what are we talking? Date of commission or date of launch? BAP Almirante Grau (Ex-Dutch De Ruyter) could beat all these in date of launch (19/12/1941) but, I’d assume, due to the Netherlands having been overrun the year before it wasn’t actually commissioned until 1953. If it was launched by a German controlled Netherlands it begs the question as to why the Kriegsmarine didn’t ‘aquire’ it.

Another I’d forgotten about. Regardless, the HMCS Iroquois is still a long way from being the oldest.

Cheers,

Logan

HMCS Iroquois 5,100-tonne will soon be the oldest frontline warship in the western world with the 38-year-old in service.

Wait…what?

Cheers,

Logan

Thanks, I wondered how many would pick up that one — excellent post Logan 😀

Thanks, Loke. Too often many of us forget to consider the details in heated discussions such as these. 😉

Cheers,

Logan