The point is that this “kill” doesn’t matter. Whoopdedo.

Now I think that’s going too far in the other direction. It matters. Just likely not very much (since it’s only one kill). It matters because an F-86 may not have been able to duplicate that kill, even presented with that same situation. The question then becomes “what allowed the EF-18G to get that kill?” and “where between and F-86 and an EF-18G is that line?”

Is the line at a MiG-21bis or an F-102? Could they have achieved that kill? Was it the jammer? Could an Eurofighter or an Su-27 have achieved that same kill?

That’s when it matters. That’s why the US flies these exercises. In fact, being “shot down” by a Super Hornet is more valuable to the F-22 program than just tonking another one.

Logan Hartke

now for the raptor lovers , who think raptor is invincible and blah blah blah ,
how did this happen ..

seems like raptor is overrated to me .

your opinion ,posters ?
the images :
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/ea18g_f22kill.jpg
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/ea_18G_ea1.jpg

Yeah, the A-26 proved that the Me 262 was a highly overrated fighter. Stealth fighters are going to be proven just a fad–like jets were…

A Finnish Brewster Buffalo shot down a Soviet P-51A in WWII. The P-51 was still one of the best things in the skies and far better than the Brewster in any form.

You cannot tell anything from a single kill. Not only that, but this is a simulated kill, not even the real thing.

Logan Hartke

But building fighters (especially if you dont have a long and great tradition of it) is a completely different ballgame. For what I have read the J-11B is a fine, very fine rip off of the Su-30MK. Undoubtely a great achivement for Senyang (or who ever it might be). But thats about it. And not even close to, say Indias MKIs (or Malaysias MKM). And now this coppy of a stripped down, 20yrs old Chinese MK should pe on par with, or even better that the Su-35? I find this claim to be somewhat difficult to accept just like that. So Logan Harke, no offends, but until you back up your claim with some credible sources I respectfully call your post Horse Manure 🙂

Either English isn’t a language you’re fluent in or you thought too much of yourself to fully read my post. I specifically said, “

I’m not saying that the J-11B’s better than an Su-35, just that the idea that someone can’t make a certain something better than you because you made it first is silly.” Nowhere did I say it was as good as or better because I do not believe that it is. Do it think it’s impossible for the Chinese to produce the best Su-27-based fighter available on the market? Right now–yes. In the future–it’s possible. That’s where the original speaker is wrong.

Logan Hartke

Absolutely what I was saying MM11. I can see how the Su-30 is large enough to fit it on the centreline station, but the MMRCA contenders are another story altogether. I think trying to modify a Gripen (for example) to take a BrahMos would be expensive and result in an aircraft that looked like a mini B-58.

Logan Hartke

Has anybody actually taken a look at it?

I know I have on the Super Hornet. It looked like it physically might be able to on a couple wing pylons, but the missiles were heavier than the pylons were cleared for, I don’t know if it would clear depending on where the missile attaches to the pylon, and–while you might be able to hang the missile on–I was left very unsure as to whether it could successfully rotate on takeoff with the missiles hanging low and past the back of the wing by a good margin.

Have any studies have been done?
Have any manufacturers said it can be be done on their aircraft?
If so, on which aircraft and which pylons? Are major modifications necessary?

Thanks in advance,

Logan Hartke

Very, very neat. You wouldn’t happen to have any more like this, would you, flex?

Thanks,

Logan Hartke