Who is talking about “magical” properties? China is no different from any other country in the world. A country is important to an aviation firm only as much as it can make them money.

China can make them money and China can demand offsets. It’s that simple. You are pretending that China will be excluded from aviation work. No it won’t, as long as it remains the world’s second largest market it will get work. There is no magic. Money is straight forward.

One thing is you want offsets other they want to go give them

see Mexico becomes world’s top destination for aerospace investment

from Chinese news even
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-221453803.html

Why is that ? because offsets as China is doing is basicly trying to achive the easy way as the Su-27/J-11B shows as.

Boeing and Airbus had never had any licensing issue with China.

China is in fact, the most important battleground for aviation growth. If Bombardier or Embraer can’t compete in the Chinese market place, they are pretty much doomed to the second tier.

Anyone who has any connection and understanding of commercial aviation would know that China is THE dominant strategic market place that will make or break your company. There is nothing that can replace this market especially with the world barely recovering from recession and the Eurozone collapsing.

http://www.boeing.com/Features/2010/05/bca_shanghai_expo_05_03_10.html

Now with Sukhoi, we don’t know if Sukhoi has a case. We don’t know if China had bought the technology. At any rate, the question is moot since Russia isn’t part of the WTO and Russians themselves never saw IP as something to be protected.

With military equipment, every nation with the capability will attempt to be self-sufficient. Being able to build the J-11 or J-15 at home is far more important than losing any future Sukhoi contract.

China is only important as Boeing makes money and Airbus makes Money, China has no magical qualities, because the Chinese market can grow but the chinese plane makers can not satisfy that demand, Boeing and Airbus can move to safer manufacturing countries, limit what China makes and if China makes airplanes competing with Airbus or Boeing adapt the same protectionist policy China had with Embraer, which basicly was trying to rip off Embraer as they did to Sukhoi and do not let them sell their products in the western markets as they do to the russian made airliners.

Russia and Brazil can make jets for their own market trying to exclude chinese plane makers.

What you do not seem to see is Boeing and Airbus are supporting the US and European Industry and any threat will mean policies to block China via political and economical measures designed to stop China wrecking their products as they did to Sukhoi and Embraer.

Embraer has been smart enough to consider moving from China to Russia why? because China has been a threat to their sales and intellectual property

Brazilian President Luis Inacio Lula da Silva and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev will discuss the participation of Russian companies in projects to build hydroelectric and thermal power stations in Brazil and the possible production of Embraer ERJ-145 regional airliners in Russia
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20100514/159010235.html

China buys more planes every year than any country outside the US. Like in cars, aviation firms have no choice but to put offsets in China.

There is no way a company can forgo the second largest and fasting growing market can remain competitive.

Embraer is leaving China because it is not competitive in the Chinese market. It has nothing to do with licenses.

here are the news
In March, BE Aerospace opened a new facility in the state of Sonora, which is due to establish a new free trade zone at Obregon in August. Last year, Queretaro received a major boost with Bombardier’s decision to establish a major composite aerostructures operation there mainly to contribute to its new Learjet 85. Honeywell has an advanced avionics test and engineering facility at Mexicali

In an increasingly global aerospace marketplace, Mexico is vying with countries such as China and India for foreign investment. Delegates to the January Mexico’s Aerospace Industry conferences heard that production costs in the country are between 30 and 45 percent less than in Western countries (depending on variable factors such as duties and costs associated with establishing a new business), but that its labor and other costs are still higher than those of the leading Asian companies.

However, both legal experts and company executives with experience doing business in the country told the conference that Mexico offers a much surer foundation for foreign aerospace investors on key issues such as legal protection of intellectual property rights and ease of technology transfer–both of these being areas in which China has been found wanting.

http://www.ainonline.com/airshow-convention-news/paris-air-show/single-publication-story/browse/0/article/mexico-prepared-for-new-wave-of-investment-in-aerospace-sector-21096/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews%5Bstory_pointer%5D=4&tx_ttnews%5Bmode%5D=1

Sukhoi and Embraer are tow of the most important companies in the aerospace sector Embraer is the third largest and Sukhoi wasnto become as good with the T-50 and Superjet. In few years is unlikely China will get more investment if those practices continue, India will be a betetr candidate as well as Brazil and Mexico in fact Embraer might move from China to Russia

An Absolutely Incisive Comment!

Perhaps incisive but not right here another picture where you can use to calculate next time your graph
In this picture is very clear the LERX starts at the level where the canopy begins

same is the F-16

ask your self why the F-16 has a flat bottom forebody and curved top forebody? answer simple to create fuselage forebody lift

And the STR for the turn is still 22,5deg/sec. Buy the way, all planes are in the same position, showing of the best of its plane (all in shows, means optimized for making the turns)..
Tejas is little of, not flying its hole envelope, but thats it!

use a manual or an air force assesment such as the USAF and Luftwaffe did with the MiG-29 and F-16, all those videos you post are simply lame attempts that prove nothing

360deg/16s 1.35-1.51sec= 22.5 STR= better than falcon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSkmzjTsl1M&feature=PlayList&p=DEAB3E92CBA5411C&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=85

what a lame way to prove STRs without even considering the pilots are trying to do the best STRs or are flying the aircraft at similar weights and configuration, that is not a manual niether an air force assesment

whats the big fuzz..

check what you posted it says high AoA like i am telling you

IMHO the pakfa is an ugly ducking, it is a powerful aircraft but its ugly, beautiful aircraft are the F-18E, Rafale and F-16 and bu my favorite is the MiG-29M and SMT