You really have problems accepting reality.

1. If you have a graph of 2 a/c clean then you can clearly see which one is more maneuverable period.

2. You have two aircrafts: aircraft1- smaller, with weaker engines and lower T/W ratio and aircraft2- bigger with stronger engines and better T/W ratio. Now you hang bigger, draggier and heavier weapons on the aircraft1 and smaller, smoother and lighter weapons on aircraft2. Which aircraft would have more degraded performance? This is exactly the situation with the MiG-29 (ac1) and F-15A (ac2)

What weapons are you talking, you even do not show a F-15A/C graph with weapons, the MiG-29 graph shows you two AA-10s Alamos and 4 AA-8s Aphids, the Graph you are showing it`s showing basicly at sea level and a clean aircraft, the MiG-29 shows you the turn radious at 1000 meters or 3000 feet, now you claim the F-15 is more agile, but at sea level has 21 deg/s turn, what is going to be its turn rate at 1000 meters with 4 sparrows and 4 sidewinder? do you expect 21 deg/s? later you say that a bigger aircraft will have smaller cross section, hahahahaha do not make me laugh, the MiG-29 has its smaller radious at 400 km/h and it is really small, less than 500 meters.

You even say that even Cesar Rodrigez was wrong hahahaha, the MiG-29 for sure is not the less agile, what i wanted to know is the difference.

interesting it say clean configuration F-15C, then that is not with weapons as the MiG-29 since it is not carrying weapons, your graph then does not contradict what has been said in the you tube videos

see
Specifications (F-15C Eagle)
Data from USAF fact sheet,[90] Jane’s All the World’s Aircraft,[91] Davies 2002,[92] GlobalSecurity[93]

General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 63 ft 9 in (19.43 m)
Wingspan: 42 ft 10 in (13.05 m)
Height: 18 ft 6 in (5.63 m)
Wing area: 608 ft² (56.5 m²)
Airfoil: NACA 64A006.6 root, NACA 64A203 tip
Empty weight: 28,000 lb (12,700 kg)
Loaded weight: 44,500 lb (20,200 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 68,000 lb (30,845 kg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F-15_Eagle#Specifications_.28F-15C_Eagle.29

35000 pounds means a very lightly loaded F-15

Oh well… ok.

i will put it harder for you give me the turn rate or at least the turn radius, here is the link if you want to download it by your self remember it is in Russian go to page 206 and you will find the information you want
http://www.airwar.ru/other/bibl/mig29aerodin.html

So if you have the manual and still can’t see those figures I posted yesterday then I’m sorry for you.

let us do this you post first okay you are the one who says you have the information and the manual. you go first okay post the page that shows all the data you claim
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Do you think that I care if you believe me or not? I just tell you what are the facts. You may not believe me and still live in your fantasy world of Eagle performing like a Phantom and MiG-29 doing 22 deg STR @ 10 000 ft… BTW: my figures for the MiG-29 are from Luftwaffe manual, so they’re not in Russian. Try to look for a manual GAF T.O. 1F-MIG29-1 and manual TO-1F-15A-1 – this should help you enough.

hahahaha yeah my friend you know you can get the one in Russian, just look on the internet just type MiG-29 manual in russian and you will get it, just look and mother russia will give it to you. in fact i am still not believing you

Kiwinopal, so you’re saying that you base your knowledge on some youtube videos or someone’s personal opinion (which a/c is better) rather than on actual data. My numbers are from MiG-29 manual and F-15 manual. (F-15 GW: 35000 lb, MiG-29 GW: 13000kg)

Do you have a better source than mine? Prove that I’m wrong. I don’t think you can, but you can always try.

BTW: If you really believe that the Eagle has a max STR of 16 deg (F-4 Phantom-like 7g a/c performance) then I’m not sure if anyone should treat you seriously…

I can illustrate to you the difference in maneuverability between aircraft like the F-4 and F-16.

i will believe you if you post them, if you do not post the MiG-29 page by page in Russian where you can see the flight envelope and the same for the F-15 i won`t believe you.

That TV show is entertaining but it isn’t intel. If that is all you have, then you need to dig a little harder.

But, in any case, these arguments pertaining to air-to-air “superiority that focus only on performance values are extremely misleading…as any conflict from WW1 to the present has shown. What determines a kill is the skill of the pilot in the cockpit…not the type of aircraft that cockpit is in.

I know what you want, you want quantify and know where each aircraft has advantages and disadvantages, saddly i can not give that to you.
but if you believe Terrence Fornof and Rico Rodrigez you get pretty much the idea the MiG-29 is much more agile in turn rates than the F-15, because both are F-15 pilots, in the case of Rico, well a retired F-15C pilot

I asked for EM diagrams, not YouTube video.

the you tube video has F-15 pilots that killed the MiG-29s saying the MiG-29 is more agile than the F-15 if you want diagram specifics well i have no F-15 or MiG-29 manuals, but the people that flew F-15s are telling you already 16 deg/s STR