I dont think its the devalue. It’s just things you learn about have changed. Hence why this generation doesnt know squat what the other generation knew and so forth. It’ll keep happening until things stay the same for years on end. The problem these days is that the TV, games and internet prevent kids from learning more. I’m inclined to say that this generation care more about what such and such celebrity did than what happend in government or in a war 50 years ago.

:eek:The use of history is wide an wonderful. You’d think if more bankers did history they could have avoided the Wall street like crash again? lol

The closest I’ve been to Romanesque areas is caerleon but thats an hour away. There are old “roman roads” around here, but I feel I just don’t have the patience (been like that since a kid :rolleyes: ) I suppose if my dad had been interested in metal detecting I would have at least tagged along.

Going back to teaching but also “parenting”. When I started on aviation back in 1991 at St Athan, I was more interested in the planes. Slowly that evolved to looking at the older aircraft, and wondering what role they played in the RAF. That started the ball rolling and I started looking towards more military matters. It’s been a fulfilling hobby and one part of education I’ve enjoyed since a young age. I only wish it was far more varied for today’s kids so they can actually enjoy and our future workforce is far more intelligent. With the way things are going though i can see this country on the fast track to benefit central… more so than it is now

Lincoln the only flaw is that it depends where you are. As a kid I had no patience for something that could take days even weeks to find. I even struggled at fishing (much to my dads annoyance). If you know a local area that is full of artefacts fair enough, but a place like mine its almost impossible.

One theory I have is to let them find their own hobby, then slowly help the look at the history of that chosen subject. Many kids like football, so why not the history of football? The lecturer that made such an impression had a PHd in the history of football, and with a lecturer like that he’d make it fun and insightful

Inkworm, as much as I’d love to do an MA in aviation history I just dont have the money… well, and the results. Unfortunately we did Britain At War; 1939-45 was the heading which overlapped our dissertation field. What did I learn? Sod all militarily but I learnt alot about the ATS, ATA, WAAFs etc. with 75% of the class as girls also you can see why… no offence but i just didn’t find POW’s of the axis forces that interesting either. It was all social, and I think thats why i struggled getting truly into any essays, but the dissertation I flew through (pardon the punn!)

Personally I’d like to see more of a choice for the younger generation. With my gf having an MA in english and me a BA in history I can gaurantee our kids will be well versed (much to thier annoyance, through museums airshows and the like :rolleyes: )

Having recently graduated with a degree in history I can have an idea of the problem. They need to choose a more interesting subject for history. Maybe even give a few options on what they can learn. GCSE i did medicine and the nazis… college we did british history and Nazis… degree level was varied but i found Medieval history interesting when it came to the battles. but again I only really came into my own when my dissertation arrived and i did it on the battle of britain. Thing I noticed in uni was that males seemed to do better when the subject was more military based and females tend to look at the more social side of things. So maybe its the fact that boys arnt finding social history interesting I dont know, be interesting to see what percentage are male and female. British history needs to be taught but it needs to a) capture the imagination and b) be informative. I still remember my first History lecture in Uni where the lecturer jumped up on the table and explained how history is made. Its the kind of thing that would capture you. But can the blame be placed with the teachers or is it the parenting in this country? i know its being stereotypical but the lack of respect and the bad attitudes Ive come across in my time in work and visiting my mothers place of work floor me. I would never have spoken to older people let alone teachers the way they do

Guys coming from the Welsh perspective this whole referendum was a joke IMHO. A 25% turn out and I didn’t even bother voting myself. Why you ask? Well because there was literally no forewarning. No meetings were advertised, and the only times I heard about it was a couple of times on the radio and two TV adverts? Personally I think this is a venture that was hoped to slide through without too much of a problem from sheer lack of debates. Many of you are saying that we have a massive say in what happens the the commons? Yes, we have some say, but we wouldn’t stop free prescriptions from being available when they have been in Wales for years. Wales has been a Principality since the Act of Union under Henry 8th… or was it the 7th? :S After watching question time, one Plaid Cymru official said it’ll help us pass legislation that only concerns Wales far quicker than going through the ho ha of going to London. In a sense i can see where he’s coming from. Why would the way we advertise welsh lamb be sent to london to be passed? its costly, to both of us, but i wasnt prepared to vote on something that wasnt spelt out fully or freely for me to make an informed decision on it. It’s typical of a beaurocratic lifestyle apparent in places of management. Unfortunately many say it’ll end the beauro problem but IMHO it’ll just make it worse

unrelated I know, but do you ever post in the aircraft sections?

It is after all an aviation forum 😎

It could in the near future mean the rise in price’s of airshows due to fuel costs?

With regards to everything else is said i can see where Lincoln 7 is coming from. With more people in work and less sponging off those of us that work hard and pay taxes we’d be far better off. but when someone earns more money on benefits than they would with a normal 9-5 job are we suprised?

But also a result is bad management. Today I’ve read of the MOD paying £22 for a 65p bulb… and a stupid amount for screw that cost a few quid? with management like this and stupid contracts where it costs us more to cancel them than carry on are we suprised at the £38 billion defeciet left for the MOD? these rediculous contracts (under a labour government but I’m not getting into any arguements) should be scrapped or at least reviewed wholey. Once again beaurocracy plays too big a role iin this country, from the lowest point right upto the pinacle of power

Rant over lol 🙂