He wasn’t silent today. 11.15 2013
“Last post by Matt Rimmer
I’m afraid I’m a little late to this most interesting discussion, but I’m very pleased to see Captain Elliott here on the forum and read of his desire to see his Uncles aircraft recovered and conserved.
It is true that the project has not moved forward as quickly as some(myself included) would like, however this is in large part due to outside factors rather than any lack of effort on Tighar’s part.
In many ways it’s a catch 22 situation-before considering a recovery there must be a suitable home for the aircraft, yet it’s difficult to convince a museum to take on a complicated conservation project when they cannot see the aircraft before first carrying out a recovery.
Some will ask “So why not go ahead and recover the aircraft anyway?”, however there are a number of very good reasons for not doing this. At present the P-38 is stable in her present environment, but as soon as she is removed from that environment rapid decay will occur without proper(and costly) intervention. Now if funds were not an issue a recovery and conservation could be carried out without first having a museum on board, but to what end? in the(admittedly unlikely) event that even after conservation was completed a home still couldn’t be found what then? to place the aircraft into storage would in many ways differ little from leaving her where shy now sits under the sand.
Though this is a rather controversial statement to make, the history of historic aircraft recovery is littered with the wreckage of best intentions, recoveries carried out without better planning or enough funding for the long term care and preservation of the subject aircraft, the best known of these being the B-29 “Key Bird” but there are many others. I for one do not wish to see The Maid as a broken pile of wreckage on the beach, or a rapidly corroding hulk in some yard, or being hacked apart piecemeal for want of more time.
One comment I would make concerning the point Jeff raised about the publics desire to see a recovered aircraft verses a restored example, last month I visited the Dornier at RAFM Cosford and even on a damp October day the one aircraft at the museum which drew a small crowd during the entire time I was there was the Dornier, people are fascinated by something which has survived untouched for over 70 years and which bears not only the scares of war but details like the original paint overspray, and the controls still in the position they were left by it’s last pilot, these things speak to many people and bring home far more the human side of war than a shiny restored aircraft could ever do.
Regards,
Matt.
The Lockheed Electra L-10E #1015 is finally at Home in Seattle
Update:
A piece of History Takes Wing:
The Lockheed Electra L-10E has finally arrived at the Museum of Flight in Seattle, WA.
http://seattletimes.com/html/picturethis/2021871567_apieceofhistorytakeswing.html
Moving day for the Electra into the Great Gallery of the Museum of Flight.
It was a tight fit but we got her in there. Watch as the Electra is moved into her new home.
Enjoy,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNbxH9dWmSU&list=UUda1wjNf7JaYgx9ukXRqgIQ
Does anyone have any info on the crash of the newly restored Stratoliner. It apparently suffered engine failure and crashed into shallow water.
The only surviving Boeing 307 Stratoliner (NC19903) is preserved in flying condition at the Smithsonian Museum’s Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center. On March 28, 2002, this particular aircraft was subject to a dramatic crash in which it ditched into Elliott Bay in Seattle, Washington, on what was to be its last flight before heading to the Smithsonian. Despite the incident, it was again restored, flown to the Smithsonian, and is now on display.
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WWII ace’s crash site discovered in Germany after 69 years Part III
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=1010&sid=25783379
Thank you all for your interest.
I do believe that would be Ken Dodd, but “I’m all discomnockerated…..:highly_amused:
Tickling stick indeed! :eagerness:
By Jove Geoff, I do believe I’ve got it. “As the P-47 Thunderbolt worked up to operational status, it gained a nickname: the “Jug” (because its profile was similar to that of a common milk jug of the time) contrary to some who believe “Jug” was short for Juggernaut. However, I prefer the other nickname T-Bolt. Hope you enjoy part II.
Hi All,
Belforte many thanks for the post great read look forward to the next instalment,wouldn’t it be great if the dux jug either had both the current paint scheme and the paint scheme of Grant Turleys jug very apt I think .Geoff.
Hey Geoff, You are welcome but I’m a Yank, can you put that in the Queens English for me? dux jug?? 😉
Part II
Part III coming soon I believe. Will post it when I get it.
J Boyle,
Mike Lavelle retired from the MOF in the past year or so. Couldn’t answer PM, as your inbox is full.
Belforte
I see you’re a new member.
That is my signature line, it usualy appears after every post.
When you set up an account you get to do that along with establishing an avatar.
Why it didn’t appear in my first post onthis topic, I really don’t know. But is is included with all of my other posts.Don’t take offense, it’s not pointed at you, the MoF (where I’m a frequent visitor), AE or this topic.
Again, since you seem to be trying to take offense at my opinions, perhaps I better explain my second post.
Yes, by all means honor AE for her role in aviation. She was an inspiration to female pilots and (some) women in general.
All I’m suggesting is that the exhibit not “oversell” her…trying to make her out to be a better pilot than she was.
Don’t inflate her reputation merely because of her gender.
J,
No offense taken and agreed in the context you put it in now. Sorry 😎
All of which is fine…note the word “silly”. 🙂
J. Boyle,
I am not sure what your sig line means as it wasn’t on your last post. “There are two sides to every story. The truth is usually somewhere between the two.”
I suppose that if it means what I think it does, I am not welcome here as a newcomer and I will politely recuse myself from this forum. I have been shown the door before and I don’t need a two by four across my gourd to convince me to leave.
Nice to see it find a good home where it least people can see and appreciate it (as opposed to being locked up in someone’s hangar and never flown/seen).
Now their challenge is to make the AE exhibit a historical one that doesn’t overly lionize her or stand as a silly tribute to “girl power”.
J Boyle,
As you see by my previous comment to Mike, she will be proudly displayed and seen by thousands each month.
It won’t be the Museum of Flight’s mission to lionize Amelia Earhart. That said, the MOF has an extensive program for women in aviation. From Rosie the Riveter to the last woman Astronaut and all women in between who proudly served their country and the female commercial pilots of today we should all be proud. There is also an extensive program to promote young girls toward aviation careers at the new Aviation High School and the Aviation Learning Center.
A shame it is to be grounded. Very, very few Lockheed 10s still flying. This one is a nice aircraft, I had the chance to look over it in detail at Gnoss Field before it departed for Reno a few weeks back.
I hope the Museum have a place to display it indoors. Boeing Field is already littered with airframes they have no room for (recently-airworthy DC-2, Boeing 247 and B-17) as well as the B-29, which are all either sitting outside in the Seattle weather or stored away from public view.
Mike,
“Very, very few Lockheed 10s still flying.” Yes that is true but if we lost this one to an accident or incident, then there would be one less.
Since we don’t have the Electra here yet, I can only show you a couple artistic renderings of where she will sit in the Great Gallery on the main floor inside exhibit
I wouldn’t go so far as to say that “Boeing Field is littered with airframes.” The outside static displays are well maintained and are proudly displayed.
As far as the weather in Seattle, that is all a myth. It is always “Clear Blue and 72” here. We just tell people it is always raining to keep the population in check. 😉
Firstly, welcome to the forum, laurie……….
These cannot have come from Popular Flying, the one publised by WE Johns, as the magazine was published between 1932 and 1937.
Planemike
You are correct sir, however, the last publication of Popular Flying was published July, 1939, Volume 8 issue 4. Here are all the covers.
Laurie,
You may want to check out Popular Flying Magazine. Those pics look like they could have been cut from the front cover. Without knowing the size of the pics, I can’t be sure.