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  • in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2312963
    Mildave
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    While Rafale F3 might be cheaper to buy and operate, the cost for ToT isn’t likely to be very cheap. As a result it might not be L1.
    In fact I am pretty sure ToT’s cost will do Rafale a lot of harm in India even if the technologies offered are worth it.

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2312965
    Mildave
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    BTW the evaluation is “based” on the F 18, not “VS” F 18…

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2312968
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    Gripen NG

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2313057
    Mildave
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    With French orders alone, Dassault has firm orders for 180 to at least 2019 with 11 aircraft a year been enough for Dassault to make a profit. Since France plan to buy about 280 (even if that’s likely to be reduced, Rafale been the only type in service in the future, I don’t think we’ll see the number fall under 200) that mean they could well be producing Rafale until 2025 at the rate of 11 a year (so still with profit). Plus the upgrade to come, Dassault will have plenty of work for at the very least 2030. As a result they have no obligation to find an export customer to survive right now, so they can afford to wait.
    UAE and Brazil are still likely to buy since the Rafale deal is part of a much larger strategic deal, and India well, we’ll see soon enough.

    There are no concern over the operational capabilities of the Rafale, so whatever happen it’ll be due to marketing’s performance only.

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2313066
    Mildave
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    Here’s what Wikipedia says.

    The new Gripen NG (Next Generation) is also referred to as the “Gripen Demo”,the “Gripen E/F”, or MS 21.

    Gripen Demo. A two-seat technology demonstrator for improvements slated for the Gripen NG.

    Gripen NG. (Next Generation) Proposed version with new engine (F414G), increased fuel capacity, higher payload, upgraded avionics and other improvements.

    That’s exactly what I’m saying. The Gripen NG is the concept, which mean it represent all the improvment Saab and co feels able to implement.
    Gripen Demo is a demonstrator to their new technologies (risk reduction), while the E/F will be whatever the Swedish can afford (and Saab hope they will afford the whole improvement package by finding as many export customer as possible willing to share the cost).

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2313071
    Mildave
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    Japan is worried about China. They felt snubbed after the US refused to offer them F-22. If F-35 is delayed that leaves the SH as the only US alternative.

    What do they do if the SH if found to not meet their requirements? They would then have no option but to go for TYphoon.

    And I agree with you, but you can hardly compete everywhere when you are just 1 making all the effort. ET has 4 countries supporting it for export. That’s not the same.
    Of course I would like to see Rafale trying in Japan, with their technical abilities the Rafale would become even more incredible if they take part of development.
    Who know if they win India, or somewhere else they might just get the motivation and money to try Japan.

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2313074
    Mildave
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    The median score gave the Air Force how well the aircraft would be in 2010. The top score was the most optimistic expectations of the performance, the score was the worst case scenario. “This leads to more complete picture of system effectiveness with uncertainties, risks but also potential”, wrote the Air Force.

    Sorry, but again they based their analyse on what LM marketing told them. Or LM has already proved that the reality isn’t always what they themselve expected.

    So until you get a analyse with each aircraft in operational condition like the IAF tried to do, your analyse is worth squat.
    To what extend did the Ducth have access to ET, Rafale and Adv F 16? If their simulation put the F 16 in general in such parity with Rafale and Typhoon why was it eliminated in the IAF (unless there was a bias somwhere)?

    Have you noticed that the US want India to buy the F 35 in a govt to govt deal whithout any kind of competition or serious test by the IAF prior?

    Sorry but until I see a serious analyse of the F 35 compared to other aircraft in an as far as possible manner, this chart has little professional meaning.

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2313148
    Mildave
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    IF the Swiss chart somehow reflects reality (ie. that the Rafale really is very good in a2a and the Typhoon less good than most seem to believe) then I am surprised Dassault did not offer it to Japan. If F-35 is delayed further they will have to chose another a/c for their current competition.

    And Japan will unlike Switzerland go for the more expensive and more capable solution. It would be hilarious if Typhoon is chosen by Japan, and Dassault did not even try…

    Unfortunatly each competitions cost money the company has to pay from its own pocket, and Dassault beleives that Japan will buy American so they don’t want to bet just so that Japan may use them to pressure the US like was the case in other Asian competitions.

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2313178
    Mildave
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    The Gripen DEMO is the demonstrator. The Gripen NG, or the E/F version or whatever it’s called is the end result,, AFAIK.

    Gripen NG is the concept. The Gripen DEMO is a Gripen C/D modified to test the feasibility of the concept. Gripen E/F is the end result, the one that is going to be commercialize.

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2313186
    Mildave
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    http://img.over-blog.com/499x342/0/50/29/09//AvionJSFAnalysMd-Nrc080909-copie-1.jpg

    The swiss evaluation echoes to the dutch evaluation who evaluated competing fighter jets earlier last decade on more than 700 criteria.

    10 years latter the hierarchy is still maintained !

    Note that the gripen was already deemed inferior than the f18 !!! (probably the SH)

    700 criteria on a plane that wasn’t flying yet and which maturity and operational reality is still in doubt ?!
    Same bull*** placed the Typhoon almost as good as the F 22, and the F 22 a divine golden plane some years ago…

    @ Jackonicko : I think we need to distinguish the plane’s performances from political and financial considerations. India is the only country to have tried that so far, and the result was quite surprising.
    Swiss evaluation we heard so far placed the Rafale 1st and then the Typhoon closely behind, with the Gripen coming last. That’s the technical reality. Then you have politics and economics realities that made for a different conclusion.

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2313241
    Mildave
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    The Gripen NG will have a 10 cm longer fuselage, and a 20 cm wider wingspan. I’m guessing the inner chord has been increased by 10 cm thanks to the elongated fuselage.

    Gripen NG is a demonstrator, that doesn’t mean the Gripen E/F will be anything like it…

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2313246
    Mildave
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    How do I feel about the Swedes selling the Swiss a fighter?

    Neutral.

    lol 😀

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2313513
    Mildave
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    No it isn’t. There are several non-fighter non-US western AESA radars operational, from several countries & manufacturers, on ships, MPAs, UAVs, etc. The first non-US western (in a broad sense of western) fighter AESA radar was operational on the F-2 over ten years ago. The Vixen 500E AESA radar, meant for light fighters, is operational – though on border patrol aircraft, not fighters.

    I think he meant fighter aircraft. And I beleive it’s the first independant fighter aircraft AESA radar in Europe at least.

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2313515
    Mildave
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    Millimetric-radar and synthetic-aperture radar versions were considered during development, and the MM-wave option is still thought to be under study, along with one-way or two-way datalinks.

    Thanks do you have any links where I could find more info on this (my friend google was useless) ?
    Because I think a CAS at €200 000 is a bit expensive…

    in reply to: Gripen for Switzerland #2313598
    Mildave
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    The purchase of Gripen aircraft makes a debate in the press

    Armament | Defence Minister Ueli Maurer has focused his choice yesterday on the purchase of Swedish Gripen fighter aircraft. A decision debated in the Swiss and French.

    “It’s the choice that satisfies no one” right away Assen on Thursday morning the editorial of the Tribune de Genève.

    The press is not kind to the decision to Ueli Mauer yesterday to favor the purchase of 22 Gripen fighter aircraft from the Swedish Saab to the French Dassault Rafale and Eurofighter European group EADS. An operation that cost the tidy sum of about three billion francs.
    The problem? The Defence Minister has opted for the cheapest flights, but the performances are subject to debate. Developed to disappoint the military conservatives in parliament. Hence the question 24 times, “How Ueli Maurer, who wanted the best army in the world can settle for a second category of aircraft?”

    Dassault disappointed

    In terms of combat aircraft, the Rafale goes into effect for the best model. The French press is not lacking, and this morning to relay the disappointment of the manufacturer.

    This is the case of Le Figaro: “The Dassault said in a statement it had” taken note of the choice of Swiss authorities, “but regretted that” the Federal Council (…) has consciously decided not to position Switzerland at the highest European level as regards the performance of new combat aircraft. ” The group, the capacity of the Rafale would have allowed Switzerland to acquire less aircraft to meet its operational needs, “a cost or below. ‘”

    In economic and market the newspaper La Tribune, the reaction of dry Rafale is also reported. The manufacturer to recall the distrust aroused by the Swedish model: “The Gripen helvétisé exists only on paper.”

    Old technology

    The criticism of the aircraft Swedish side of the fuse as combat pilots. One of them confessed to the Freedom of anonymity at this stage, an update of current Tigers would have sufficed, while cheaper, “The Swedish Gripen aircraft is old technology, certainly proven, but that does not meet all the roles supposedly vested in a hunter, “says he daily Fribourg.

    So what did it could have happened in the mind of Ueli Maurer? The Swiss press unanimously answers to this question: the choice of the Gripen is purely political. The cheapest aircraft is more likely to be accepted by parliament, and even by the people in a referendum.

    Challenged by the UDC

    But the bet is risky. Because the strategy is being challenged in the camp of Ueli Maurer, “A plane that exists only in the form of prototype has no chance in parliament,” said Roland Borer in the Tages-Anzeiger, which features in an A Gripen aircraft decorated like a Christmas tree.

    Even more risky than the Greens and the Socialist Party for their part feel that Switzerland does not need for now to buy new fighter jets, “If the referendum is not guaranteed, we launch a popular initiative. The people must decide on this purchase, “says the Council of States Vaud Green Luc Recordon in the morning.

    Although the champagne corks flew in Sweden, a big job of persuasion will be needed before the new Saab Gripen can actually take off, says the Neuer Zürcher Zeitung. The major daily newspaper Blick zurchois joined in the conclusion that the case will go through the ballot box, such as the purchase of F/A-18 nearly twenty years ago. To change the ramp, however, advocates will present a concept of defense and a reliable funding model, warns columnist Zurich.

    Vendetta?

    And if that was a controversial choice Revenge of the Federal Council against the parliament?, Asked The Times. A poor choice as a reminder that the seven sages, except Maurer, “hardly be appreciated in parliament to force the hand to anticipate the acquisition of new aircraft.”

    The daily recalls that last caution purchasing Gripen may have been motivated by a dark matter in the 1960s, said the aircraft “Mirage”. Switzerland had then passed the funds to purchase French aircraft, causing the fall of the Federal Councillor Paul Chaudet.

    Contribution: Marc-Henri Jobin

    http://www.tdg.ch/actu/suisse/achat-avion-gripen-fait-jaser-presse-2011-12-01

    Well this is not over.

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