So the Typhon in 2008 was has good in ATA has the classical hornet? Strange…
But it was also has good in ATG?!
And the Gripen NG, with an AESA, supercruise, an IRST, etc his inferior to a classical Hornet?!!!

Complete bolocks, those charts either are complete fakes or they are made against some very strict (and reduced) sets.

As I said, I suspect the AtA evaluation to have been mainly about air interception. Which mean disponibility (aircraft on alert), take off, intercept, visual ID, and threat assessment.
I don’t see how the Rafale or Typhoon could have done way more than the F 18.
I’m not sure anybody knows what the range of the Gripen NG’s AESA radar is, and I’m not sure the Gripen has really demonstrated supercruise etc…

All I can say at this point is that obviously the Swiss air force isn’t impress, and are trying everything they can (referendum) not to get the Gripen. (Apparently in accord with India…)

IF this graph is authentic then yes it seems to show that Rafale is technically very good.

However there are some strange things about this graph. If 6 really is the score of the Hornet, how do people explain that in a2a the mighty Typhoon is scoring basically the same as the Hornet!?

Of course the score is calculated according to what the Swiss needs are, but still I find that rather surprising to say the least. Even in their improved offer, the Typhoon score just marginally better than the Hornet in a2a. Very peculiar.

Jackonicko, where are you?

Well I think the Hornet is a pretty good AtA aircraft. In addition these are quite same generation aircraft, and I think the evaluation in AtA was manly about interception.
I too thought that Typhoon and Rafale would score > 8 at the very least, but seems that reality is less grandiose than pr…

Also between the two evaluation what major upgrade has the Typhoon had in AtA ? (BTW the same is true for Rafale too)

F-18 F/A is no problem for the gripen E/F to replace, were in capability do you see any problem?

Well if the rumours about the operational evaluation of the 3 planes are to be beleived, the Gripen isn’t doing that well compared to the Hornet.

Link

Which does not exist as of yet.

@ bgnewf : they also said that they want the same plane to replace the hornet later on, which is why I don’t get it entirely.

Technical excellence does not mean marketing excellence.

In Lybia the Rafale demonstrated a full spectrum of capabilities, routinely flying air-to-air, air-to-ground and tactical or strategic reconnaissance missions in the same flight during the same operational sortie operating from both land and sea and was/is the only aircraft to have demonstrated such versatility so far.
The fact that the US sent their B2 stealth bombers should tell you something about the Lybian air defences…
The fact that the Rafale was there with A2SM (no cruise missile yet at that point) should also tell you somthing…

The Typhoon did not come close :rolleyes: ! It also took quite its time before been deployed, and I havn’t heard anything from Spain and Italy…

That the UAE were impress is a fact. Things went from discussing technical capabilities to price only (If you’re not convinced just look for yourself).

About India… I find it too embarrassing to answer you on that sorry…

Politically damaging? Sheik Bin Mohamed went to some length to talk of the support of Sarkozy in glowing terms. Diplomatic talk, perhaps, of course. The target of his public criticism was Dassault, not the French administration.

If Eurofighter lose, I don’t think that will be very damaging to them. Can Eurofighter buy 60 M2K’s as part of the deal or find a buyer? If they need to do that as part of the deal but cannot do it, it would not matter how good or bad Typhoon was.

If UAE orders Typhoon, that is bad for Rafale. If UAE orders nothing (that’s my current thinking), that’s not good for Rafale. It will be seen as Dassault losing another sale they could have had, I think. (Morocco).

1. Sarkozy been from the same political party than Dassault, and been seen as personally close, has a lot to lose (if he can’t influence Dassault who can?). He was the one to put in place in France the concept of “war room” in order to sell the Rafale. Indeed the UEA deal is France to lose which is why even if they have tried to protect Sarkozy from the fall out, he will still get burned on that dossier if France do lose.

2. Taking back the M2k-9 is a courtesy of France in order to help sell the Rafale to the UAE. Nobody said it has to be done by whoever sells combat aircraft to them. Now that the Eurofighter has been brought to the game, they have to do anything in their power to win. If not, and unless we see Dassault make public excuses and lower their prices, then the Typhoon would have lost to an “unworkable deal”… IMHO that’s not a good thing.

3. While it’s true that the F 35 was on track way before the “war on terror” it can be said IMO that experience from Afghanistan and Iraq plus the financial troubles have had an impact on the closure of the F 22 line, and the pressure for the F 35 to be as versatile as possible, also cheaper alternative to aircraft have seen their development and use accelerate (UAVs).