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  • in reply to: Eurofighter being approached by UAE #2321320
    Mildave
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    @Mildave you are trolling.
    You said Dassault are the only european company able to develop an aircraft on their own.
    When checked you shift to “there is a difference between can and do.”

    SAAB, or perhaps rather Volvo is building part of the F404, and could build the entire engine if they wanted to make the fighter overpriced

    Ok, let me make my point clear for you.
    France (Dassault, Thales, Safran…) with Dassault as the prime contactor is the only European country capable of developing and building an operational multi-role fighter on their own (aircraft carrier compatible with that).

    As far as the Gripen is concerned, teaming agreements in development concern the US (engine, weapons…), UK(radar, HMDS…), Italy (radar, self defense…), Norway (communications, …), Denmark (???)…

    Typhoon is EADS (european but mainly Franco-German), Alenia Aeronautica (Italy) and BAE Systems (UK). Then you have to add heavy US dependence for various subsystems including weapons(3/4), Israel for designation pod…

    Then you have Rafale, the ejection seat is UK, and some weapons (bombs) are US. So no comparison here.

    in reply to: Eurofighter being approached by UAE #2321351
    Mildave
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    First there is a difference between can and do.

    Then the UK hasn’t built a complete fighter on their own in a long time. That doesn’t mean they can’t. Given what they finally spent on the Typhoon they certainly could have gone alone.
    BAE has so many ties in the US that many of their products and technologies are subject to US control.
    Finally the UK lack the political leadership to keep and promote a fully independant military fighter aircraft industry (again not that they can’t).

    in reply to: Eurofighter being approached by UAE #2321721
    Mildave
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    The UAE don’t just buy a plane, they also buy technologies along with it. It’s normal that they will have to pay more than just the cost of the plane.
    So depending on the amount of ToT they want, they might well pay as much as France is paying for aircraft + R&D.
    The same is true for Brazil and India.

    Dassault understand the need for affordability with France their main buyer and with decades of competition against US and Russia, the fact that they are the only european company able to develop an aircraft on their own is a testimony to that.

    Supporters of the Typhoon in the UAE have been trying since the 90’s to promote the plane, so I guess we’ll soon see they extent of their influence.

    in reply to: Eurofighter being approached by UAE #2326636
    Mildave
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    If the political angle is true, then maybe the UAE thought they would get a very interesting bargain for buying Rafale now at a highly discounted price.
    But since France is proposing a partnership, they have likely included ToT cost and such in the price.

    If France government isn’t willing or capable to make the difference, I can understand why the Rafale’s consortium doesn’t want to lose money.
    While Sarkozy is desperate to credit himself with a win, Dassault and cie might be willing to wait for the UAE to have a real need and be ready to put real money in the deal.

    Honestly I doubt Eurofighter can really do better; I don’t see them making a cheap deal like the US do with their actual economy. So I guess it’s wait and see…

    in reply to: Nice MMRCA News and Discussion 9 #2327049
    Mildave
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    “We were genuinely swing-role,” said Wg Cdr Dicky Patounas, officer commanding the RAF’s Typhoon-equipped 3 Sqn. However, he noted that “99% of what we did was watching and monitoring activities on the ground. We were an eye in the sky”.

    http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/dubai-typhoon-proved-its-worth-in-libya-raf-364820/

    The way I see it, they were 1% “genuinely” swing-role !

    in reply to: Nice MMRCA News and Discussion 9 #2327050
    Mildave
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    How does it compare to the Exocet ?

    I find it odd in their presentation of the ‘Sea Typhoon’ for the IN they were offering the RBS-15.

    Exocet (French): latest standard is AM39 Block 2 with a range of 70 kilometres. It’s a medium antiship missible design to take out light to medium ships (frigates, corvettes, and destroyers).

    RBS-15 (Swedish): lastest standard is RBS-15 Mk. II with a 70 km range. It’s also a medium antiship missile derivated from a french missile.

    The MARTE MK2 (Italian) is a light antiship missile with a range of 30 km comparable to the franco-british joint venture for a new light antiship missile.
    The MARTE-ER is a updated version capable of a range of about 100 km. I have no idea if they upgraded the warhead in order to attack larger target.

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2327184
    Mildave
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    Nothing to do with the towed decoys ect. RAF Typhoons had the equipment required for A2G, but the MoD didn’t have the money to train the pilots to use it.

    The RAF has “some” Typhoons with “limited” equipments required for “limited” AtG…
    The MoD did qualify “some” pilots to use it, and then for some reason, they switched them back to AtA (tells you how confident they were in the type, but that’s just my PHO).

    in reply to: why doesnt europe make their own F-35? #2327187
    Mildave
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    UCAV in complex battle senarii maybe for sometimes, but to takeoff, drop a bomb and comeback that’s not more complicated than what a predator drone is doing, or a cruise missile (exept for the comeback part…). The target could be loaded, and then the UCAV could go on its own without the need for the operator to worry about it until its return.

    in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon News & Discussions Thread V #2327199
    Mildave
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    Guys you’re making my point.
    I am not saying an aircraft is bad because there are many variants. I am saying there are two types of aircrafts.
    In one hand you’ve got F 35, F18 SH, Rafale, Gripen which have been developed for the start so that they constitute a single platform whose upgrades only had to the way they were design (fully multi-role), and you have F 22, Typhoon, M2000, F 15, F 16 etc, which multi-role capabilities comes at the price of structural changes (engines and avionics for older aircraft like F16, structural redesign for Typhoon and F 22).

    A upgraded version of an F 16 might do as good as a F 35 that’s not the point. I am just showing the differences in the process of thought that lead to the development of the Typhoon, with the AtG role not been as important from the start and still now for those who built it.

    Germany, Italy and Spain won’t scrap their T1, but so far I havn’t heard they will upgrade them either. So you will have Typhoon stuck in AtA role, like you have M2000-5 stuck in AtA.
    But you won’t have Gripen, Rafale and F 35 variants stuck in a single role.

    in reply to: why doesnt europe make their own F-35? #2327296
    Mildave
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    USA, China and Russia are giants who are power struggling in order to have political and financial dominance.
    They are locked in what is called an arm race, where you need to dissuade or impress your adversaries by showing them that your military is quantitatively and/or qualitatively better.

    Their concerns are about been able to penetrate each other defence in order to delay the use of nuclear weaponry or assure their safe delivery.
    In this context they are bound to try and develop highly expensive weaponry and match each other in a psychological dance of who has the bigger gun.
    That is why the US shot down one of their satellite one year after the Chinese, who themselves did so decade after the first attempt by the US.
    The F35 is marketed as an all-around stealth aircraft capable of defeating enemy integrated air defence systems and have a guaranteed first look first kill on any opponent.

    Of course the truth is nothing is unbeatable.
    The only deterrence that a small nations like UK, France, Germany, Italy etc. can offer is either been friend with a big brother, or rely on nuclear deterrence.

    In addition, all-around physical stealth effectiveness is debatable, and new sensors like hyper-spectral sensors will more than likely be able to detect them.

    So if you must choose what’s important if you have limited budget that would be to invest in the most important thing in an aircraft which is its electronics.

    Europeans have demonstrated in India that their platforms are highly relevant and capable. British, Italian and French defence suits are integrated in many combat aircrafts around the world.
    They have learn that the difference between the success of the F 15 and the semi success of the F 14 wasn’t in the platform since the F 14 was arguably a better platform, but in the electronics.

    A Typhoon, Rafale or Gripen with the proper supports will beat an F 35 without support any days, and have the advantage of actually be affordable (well at least in theory for some).

    An F 35 doesn’t have a cooled engine, so while its IR signature will be reduced, it will still be detectable. And stealth UCAV (mostly bomber) been developed by the European will be much more effective because ultimately disposable.

    On a long range mission, an F 35 would still have to be refuelled, and as far as I know there are no stealthy refuelling planes.
    So in conclusion, there are many ways of achieving air dominance, and the F 35 isn’t the only way.

    in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon News & Discussions Thread V #2327318
    Mildave
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    :confused:

    1º And me thinking that diferent standards being used in diferent countries with diferent capabilities was actually an advantage!
    Dont tell to no one (its a secret) but the capabilities of the Portuguese MLU Tape 4 Vipers are diferent from the UAE Block 60´s Desert Falcons (shhhh its a secret)

    2º Austria never wanted to drop bombs… It was not in the Austrian RFP, it wasnt evaluated and they dont want to pay for the ability to drop bombs… Oh wait, not paying for a capabilty that you dont want might be an advantage?! 😀

    Chill out, those two arguments are not particulary well thought out.

    Cheers 🙂

    What I am pointing out is that a modern multirole/omni-role aircraft is a platform that is designed from the start to perform different missions, mostly AtA and AtG. Upgrading it require software’s updates and the treating of obsolescence.

    Modifying the Typhoon T1 into a Typhoon T3 require almost the same work than upgrading a F16 A/B into a F 16 block 60. In fact such a modification proved to be so unsuitable that the RAF would rather get rid of perfectly good aircrafts rather than pay to upgrade them.
    I have no problem with Austria needing only AtA capabilities, but if these planes were to be sold to a second hand buyer, they could almost never be reconfigured.

    The fact that the Rafale or the Typhoon have been proposed at different prices for different countries shows that not every countries want the same capabilities. So there is no problem here.

    I am only pointing out the plane’s ability to evolve which is a testimony to the way the plane was conceived.

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2327413
    Mildave
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    What’s the point of trying to paint a different picture? No buyer with billions to invest will lack the resources to check whether the claims being made are true. When they are told the claims are false it just damages the credibility of the company making the stupid assertions.

    Had Eurofighter emphasised the qualities of Typhoon where it had an advantage over Rafale (towed decoy etc) and argued that their absence in Rafale was a great drawback, that might have been fine. Instead they chose to make statements about Rafale that the facts probably or definitely do not support. Had it been Typhoon that had a wide range of A2G systems integrated (and Rafale very few), I think they probably could argue that there were things Rafale could not do. Since Typhoon has very limited A2G capability, Eurofighter should not be surprised if this pointless piece of Rafale bashing backfires. Dassault could respond (if they chose) pointing out the very real A2G limitations of Typhoon in Libya which meant that it was impossible for Typhoon to undertake the full spectrum of missions.

    Maybe towed decoy etc aren’t such an advantage after all…

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2327416
    Mildave
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    It is fact that a large majority of the Rafales deployed for the operations were twin-seaters – another demonstration of the lack of capabilities in their single-seater to successfully complete missions.

    Actually India has asked a two seats variants of the T50, so I think they do see the advantages of two pilots for complex strike missions which is a good thing for Rafale.

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2327423
    Mildave
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    wait, they deserve a little something for the good work 😀

    http://kovy.free.fr/temp/rafale/typhoon_dunce.jpg

    Nice:)

    in reply to: Rafale news part XI #2327426
    Mildave
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    Dassault should take the long view though and do their very best to notch one up on the board even if it means less profit than they would’ve liked.

    Exept that we don’t know what their margin for profit already are. In order for the French government to afford Rafale, they already had to cut deep.
    So now I would be very interested to see if the Typhoon can come cheaper and with a better all around deal.

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